There's a SKIP-TRACER willing to 'nail' Louden for us.......

[starchild]

I've located a first-class skip tracer, who is willing to go after William Louden for us direct. He has many years of experience in tracking down miscreants who've ripped people off of their money in cases like NL. He will go out there and confront Louden at long last, which is what has been needed for some time. He'll do a lot of other prep. work of course, as well, ahead of the confrontation.

In order for him to proceed, we need to pay him an up-front expenses fee of about $2500. This could be spread across say 10 or 20 people @ $100 or $200 each....

The good news is, the skip tracer has said he will RETURN OUR UP FRONT FEE IF he is unsuccessful, so our risk should be minimal.

If anyone is interested, and willing to contribute towards this fund, please private message me on this forum and give your email address, details of how much you lost etc.

He's willing to get started straight away. He has a very good track record of success in cases like this. I know a lot of people are worrying that the other 'routes' of recovery in NL are like wheels spinning, but hopefully this will get us results a lot more quickly.

Please let me know if you want to be a part of this Action.

best regards
Liz

[me222]

In our attempt to get this started, I have created an e-gold and Evocash account:

E-gold: 1375187
Evocash: 164723

It would be too complicated if person A would help with 20$ and person B with 300$. For those willing to help us, let's set 1 amount: 100$/person.

Please, include an e-mail address in the memo.

We are looking for 25 - 30 persons to start off this recovery attempt.

You can pm Liz or e-mail me with your question or comments.
recoveries@hush.com

Kind regards,
Frйdйric

[memorex]

I just wonder, how many of these recoveries, there are going to be, in respect of the lost funds from NL.

Also ,how much will there be left, to recover from fees that erode the initial, if any residue, of funds.

Even though this one states, there will be a refund, if there is no success, in this recovery.

I also think, people are starting to become weary, of the continous chase and loss, of there funds, through chasing , this lost cause .

Which has been happening ,on the action of such recovery funding expeditions, since its initial concept.

My view on this, is let sleeping dogs lie, because it will cost you more, by chasing these lost funds, in the long run.

Most who lost funds in NL , have moved on and it is still only the die hards.

That over extended themselves who are still trying to drum up more recovery ideas.

By enticing others, through a promise, of maybe not costing them anything, what's the bet it does.?

regards
memorex

[me222]

There has been some confusion about the amount one needs to contribute:

250$ per person
If your claim is 2000$ or less, 100$ is ok.

Fred

[d2]

I would be careful of this folks, as the ACC is working on it, and Scott Hare is taking the case on a contingency basis as well. Memorex makes some good points too, and we don't know who this skip tracer (bill collector, for those of you unfamiliar with American slang terms) even is, or why he or she would decide to work for free if nothing comes of it.

I can't see the point of throwing money into yet another recovery effort, but the decision, of course, is yours.

Deej

[awty]

No thanks, I'll pass.
Jeff

[starchild]

Just so that people know, if you are reluctant, then best wait for the ACC. I'm still helping them but the main consideration there is the time factor it may take.

This is a one-off opportunity, geared mostly for those of us who have suffered larger losses and can't wait out the time which could possibly run into years.

We're not trying to 'sell' this deal, it's being done more as a favour for a small handful of people who need to take action now, so you'll know if it's right for you depending on how pressing your situation is / how large your losses are that have hit you.

We'll be closing off the offer by the end of this month, so if people aren't "in" by then, it's too late. Our skip-tracer has said, in the event he is unsuccessful, that he'll refund our nominal up-front fees - you can't be fairer than that, although of course who knows the future ? He also said that only those who participate from the outset will be represented, the rest will need to wait for the ACC/Fbi's involvement, which seems fair enough.

The up-front fee is $250-$350 per claimant, or 2.5% of the capital loss being claimed for up front from the total fee of 20% (balance payable on successful recovery). For those with a claim of $2,000 or less, then $100 (min. fee) up-front is acceptable.

Bear in mind, this is about half of what most lawyers would be charging, so the decision rests with you.

For those who want to take part in this deal, please submit your fee to e.gold a/c 450812 (discoveries) or to the e-gold a/c given above, which will be passed straight on to the skip-tracer, along with the following info:-

- your name & contact details, phone no. if possible
- Details of how much you put in
- Details of how much you got back, providing your capital loss
- Details of your lost profits (what you'd been told you'd get back)

regards
Liz

[rixzta]

Wow...2.5% up front, with another 17.5% payable on recovery....that would make your contribution quite a hefty one would it not Liz?

Good money after bad I would say......not for me thanks.

[starchild]

Rixta
My reasoning is this: a) I reckon it must be a better alternative than risking getting nothing back, waiting for Eternity, and b ) there is a chance of getting the costs back too; and c) it is about half the price that a lawyer would charge: seems like a very good deal to me. What matters most is getting RESULTS, and I won't leave any stone unturned in striving for that.

hope this clarifies it for you.
Liz

[khernandez]

Liz,

Why dont you save your money and fly to Phoneix and try to talk reasonably with William.

I understand someone has recently done just that and gotten some answers about what is happening.

-karin

[memorex]

Because, she hasnt got any money left and she needs other peoples money, to assist her and presumably Fred, to recover there money.

They must be getting desperate ,to ,not be able to wait, on the long chain of events, that has to take place ,through the ACC.

Which has now, spurred them on, to employ a skip tracer, whom they think, will refund their initial costs to them, if nothing is found.

But if you or anyone believes that you will be as gullible as them no one works for nothing.

And I have also stated in other forums as well If I were any of these peole that are looking for compensation.

Try to find another way other than entrust your funds into the hands of Starchild

regards
memorex

[starchild]

Dear Karin

I'm aware of who has been to see William Louden recently, and am also aware of what was said, as he shared this with me. It doesn't change the fact, however, that our skip-tracer is moving forward independently, and doing his own checks & investigation.
Meeting with WL is one thing, tracking down his assets is another altogether. It needs someone with experience & motivation to do that.

I was already in Az in February, as you know, and meeting W. did not happen then, as there was too much going on and it was deemed 'unsafe'. However, I dont' intend to throw good money after bad by travelling out there again, as I feel our current plan is a far more effective use of time, resources and expertise, and should yield better results than my personally appearing on his doorstep.

There is a minimum 3 further months wait before anyone will hear anything from the ACC about the steps they have taken, for legal reasons. We also have not been able to verify yet whether the info. WL gave to the recent visitor is, in fact, authentic. There is also the danger the Public enquiry will drag on relentlessly and meanwhile any funds that the ACC have secured, might be whittled away as expenses - although this isn't confirmed for sure, it may well be what occurs.

It's also unlikely W.Louden will volunteer the whereabouts of any of his other assets / funds, which is another reason for instructing a private arrangement.

Most of the funding needed for the down-payment element with our skip tracer has already come in, and been passed straight on to him; he already has 'all eyes' on William & it steaming ahead with his own arrangements & investigations, so it's people's free choice if they still want to be a part of this Action, it isn't too late yet.

Pls take no notice of any of the negativity in recent postings from certain members regarding this plan that is underway, which is intended 100% to help people & give everyone that bonus chance if they choose to avail themselves of that help, and has nothing to do with personalities or their supposed ulterior motives.

Once again, it isn't too late yet to join our Action if anyone is still interested, but please be assured we are not depending on any new people joining us as this is purely an optional arrangement mostly intended for those with a higher amount at stake, where time is of the essence.

Liz

[d3]

If the ACC recovered any money from NL, or does so in future, a receiver will be appointed. I don't think they'd be stupid enough to steal it for their own expenses, as breach of fiduciary responsibility by public attorneys in the US is a very serious crime.

Misappropriation of funds in general is frowned upon, well, maybe it's different whre Liz lives?

Remember, there are two no-cost investigations happening right now - the ACC, which will never cost anything to people involved, and the Scott Hare action, which is contingency only - if he doesn't find funds, people will not have to pay him a percentage.

I can't see the point of throwing good money after bad, myself.

Deej

[starchild]

sure, Deej, you have some valid points

It's a thing worth checking, whether expenses are allowable against Public investigations.... from what I've heard about procedures in the USA, they are allowed, but it's worth checking with the ACC direct. If they were allowable, it would hardly be a 'breach of fiduciary responsibility' I don't think. It would be a fact of life, more like.

"Misappropriation of funds" is a term I've often heard used in the wrong context in the hyip arena, and many do not comprehend what "misappropriation" in fact means, legally speaking. The misappropriation has to be proven to be just that, for a start, and if you're having a side dig at me because of the vindictive lies that have been spread by a handful of people with sick minds, about funds that were lost in a well-intentioned venture that I was in two years ago, but repaid out of my own pocket to cover the members in the group, then I've already covered the matter in depth on other sites - and once again assure you, it was by no means anything approaching 'misappropriation'. Quite the opposite, in fact. No losses occurred apart from to myself. It was all a storm in a teacup, and some childish drama-queen individuals are still harking on about it because they want to make it seem something it never was, to thwart the current effort of helping others. So save your concern for something else.

Also, remember, the "no-cost investigation" you speak of with Scott Hare will cost between 40-60% on recovery, IF there is ever a recovery by then, whereas our skip-tracer will take 18% on recovery, and 2% downpayment, not exceeding $350. No contest. That's the great thing about choice, right ?

Liz

[d3]

Liz, I will attempt to spell it out.

If NL funds are recovered by a government agency in the US, those funds will go to an appointed receiver. NOT to turn over the funds would be misappropriation, more like theft, on the part of the ACC. The government is not allowed to keep victims' money for expenses, that is one of the reasons there is tax in the US. To pay for civil servants to do their jobs.

If you want to take that as a personal affront, I can't help you. As you admitted yourself, you did take the funds from another recovery group without permission. You'd told them the funds were in trust with a lawyer's office, and then stole the funds and gambled them in another HYIP scam. Yes, it was eventually paid back, whether it was out of your own pocket I do not know. What I do know is that someone who does things like that cannot be trusted with other people's money.

I also see no reason for yet another NL investigation. It was a Ponzi. Even Wiliam's properties are mortgaged to the hilt. I doubt there's any money to recover, and with two investigations going already, I can't see the point in an anonymous American bill collector turning this into even more of a three-ring circus.

If you want to throw away more of your own money, fine, you never seem to run out of it. But you have no excuse for soliciting for more funds from people who took a real loss in this and unlike you, cannot afford to throw away more money on it.

Deej

[starchild]

Deej,

whoever you are, you are like a dog with a rag. You are another one who obviously gets kicks out of sitting in the throne of judgement, in total self-denial of any and all mistakes YOU'VE made throughout your life.
For the final time, I DID NOT take funds without permission ! This is a dramatic over-sensational distortion on what actually happened: Gary and I had an offer made TO HELP EVERYONE REACH THE DEPOSIT FOR H&K MORE QUICKLY, which was BACKED WITH A PERSONAL GUARANTEE from Dalton, to place the funds in an earning account. The fact that Dalton's cirumstances spiraled out of control and he could not meet his personal g'tee meant that SOMEONE HAD TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND RESOLVE THE MATTER. My only mistake was believing it was a good idea. there was no theft or misappropriation involved, because provision had been made, even if it ended up burning a hole in my own pocket. That was the result of a bad decision. But I did what I didn't need to do, because I am kind-hearted and ethical. And that's the thanks I get for doing the right thing by everyone ! You are a miserable judgmental ingrate, just like your friends Memorex over on Talkgold and Neddy et al on the Osgold site. You 'buy' their lies hook, line and sinker. Dream on Deej, dream on.

Concerning the other Chinese whispers you've regurgitated, once again, this is what was said: H&K had said they would set up a Trust attached to the GRG e.gold a/c once the funds target had been reached. It would only have been set up once the deposit was enough. This never happened. Now, leave it alone, please.

I don't think you know what you are talking about re. the ACC either or Govt. expenses. If what you say is true, how do you explain why so many recovery cases handled by the Govt. only end up paying back 2 cents on the dollar, when as much as 80% is recovered ?? answer me that one please.

Finally, just because you see no reason for an NL skip-tracer to become involved, doesn't mean no one has the right to go that route if they see fit. You say it was a ponzi: where is your evidence ? kindly produce WRITTEN DOCUMENTS. You are talking out of your imagination.
And please look up the word "soliciting" will you ? We were NOT soliciting in any way, shape or form, and if you believe that we were then you want your head examining, with respect. And yes, I took a "real loss" in this, far greater than most I expect, and if you've nothing better to do than to heckle and complain, then go and look for another thread to do that in !

Liz

[d3]

Liz, please carry on further shitfights at Talkgold where they are welcomed - not over here.

We really don't need to hear your whole song and dance again.

Deej

[starchild]

Deej,
if you don't want fights, then don't ressurect lies. No one wants to hear those either. I've no interest in fights, but I won't get down on all fours to hear the likes of you jumping on an already knackered and misleading nonsense band-wagon.
Liz

[rixzta]

Well....if these Sh*tfights are not welcome here, why then are they so readily accepted and responded to by the regulars ?

This forum is going the way of TG...very quickly....sadly.....

[memorex]

I am not going to allow you Rixta, Or Starchild, the luxury of those inane remarks.

So heed this friendly warning !!

If you think this forum is not good enough for your fickle lives then move on, otherwise stay within the policy of the forum,this is addressed, to both of you and without remorse. If you cant then you will find all your posts landing in the off topic folder and locked.

regards
memorex

[rixzta]

Quote]You just deleted this post for the second time memorex....pretty weak I would say.

[/quote]

Nope not me you ,havent got anything, I am frightened off ,my little idiot ;))
regards
memorex

I am not outside of the rules, or posting out of context of this thread, unlike you memorex. (Nor have I a finger poised over the comma key, ready to put a pregnant pause at every third word of your inane posts :D )

I will not be dictated to by the likes of you, I have every right to respond, as have you.

As I have stated before, you have lost all objectivity in this arena and have obviously passed your "use by date".

[memorex]

Well Rixta


You have obviously have been drinking tonight, because I never deleted your posts and you can bray all you like about anything as it does not bother me , I do not fear anything you have to offer in this arena .
But I wish I knew who did delete the post you are talking about as I would Applaud them and shake their hand because it shows someone remembers your little antics from your NL forum days where you banned people on the slightest antagonism to you or NL.
have a nice day

regards
memorex

[rixzta]

Well Rixta


You have obviously have been drinking tonight, because I never deleted your posts and you can bray all you like about anything as it does not bother me , I do not fear anything you have to offer in this arena .
But I wish I knew who did delete the post you are talking about as I would Applaud them and shake their hand because it shows someone remembers your little antics from your NL forum days where you banned people on the slightest antagonism to you or NL.
have a nice day

regards
memorex


Oh' of course you didn't :^o ...what am I thinking ! Twice....and it was you who happened to be in the forum at the time...no other mod or admin was present, just you and I were the only two logged in at the time.

You really do have no idea what you are rambling on about memorex with regard to the NL forum.....none whatsoever.

[admin]

Thread Locked and Moved to Off Topic 29/05

Please stay on topic and no personal attacks

Whats happened to this forum? Its not like it use to be, thats for sure