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Foreign Fund Threatens Blackmailer
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Posted by: memorex

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foreign Fund

It has come to the attention of us here at Foreign-Fund Administration that a BLACKMAIL ARTIST (who shall remain nameless) in the guise of a FF member is trying to DEFRAUD our good organization of a (relatively insignifcant to FF, but) sizeable lump-sum of cash. Moreover, (and even worse), this obviously dishonorable individual is attempting (laughably) to ruin FF from the inside by feeding negative information into the FF forums.
We here at Admin are UNMOVED in our ROCK-SOLID COMMITMENT to those of you who are both our well-meaning and deeply trusted investors. We are however greatly saddened that this person has chosen FF as a target for their unscrupulous pursuits. FOREIGN-FUND WILL PREVAIL, and each and every one of our GOOD investors will continue to profit on a daily basis from our success. On time. Every time. Every day of the week. Every month of the year.
I am the Editor of the Newsletter here at Foreign-Fund. Before I supply those of you who constitute our GOOD and HONEST membership with a couple of FF investor testimonials, I would like to take this moment to make a personal testimonial myself.
Since I began working for FF some time ago, I have been PAID in SUBSTANTIAL QUANTITY,(I am not at liberty to divulge the amounts), ON TIME, and on EVERY OCCASION, for my good efforts as a Foreign-Fund employee.
Not only that, but I now watch my (compounding) Foreign-Fund account grow LARGER BY THE DAY!
If this is'nt enough SOLID UNDENIABLE PROOF for all of you, then take a look at the following recent Foreign-Fund member testimonials:
'I understand that most people are skeptical about any kind of promise initially. Even I was, but I've seen nothing but good come from this program since I've been watching it. That includes the time I've been part of it. Foreign-Fund has not let us down yet. They have kept their promises and I do not want to hear anything derogatory from anyone about a program that has done everything promised.

You are not welcome here (BLACKMAIL ARTIST). Let us do as we wish to do and take the rewards and consequences that go with our decisions. I'm sure I speak for all the members here who have the same experience as I do.'-(Name withheld for security purposes)
For those of you who still cherish that tiny shred of doubt, check this one out:

'Disbelief is natural, but without failure, Foreign-Fund has followed through with all their promises. Foreign-Fund has A great admin if you have a problem admin is right there willing to help you. I would have no problem investing my money into the foreign-fund because I feel it's a very good program. I have been advertising this everywhere and will continue to do so. Just giving my 2 cents.'-(Name also witheld)
As Editor of this great, trustworthy and potentially life-changing program, I FEEL ABSOLUTELY HONORED to work for this FINANCIALLY ROCK SOLID E-Gold investment firm and the literally GRACIOUS and RESPONSIBLE INDIVIDUALS who constitute the Foreign-Fund Administration.
The only feelings of disbelief or regret that I harbor within myself regarding this magnificent program is that I did'nt find it SOONER!
I know. Some of you out there are thinking,...'of course he feels that way, they are paying him'. Well I must tell you truthfully, YES YOU'RE RIGHT!!! Foreign-Fund IS paying me! Just like they pay ALL MEMBERS OF THIS PROGRAM. ON TIME. EVERY TIME. EVERY DAY. WITHOUT FAIL.

As for the criminally-inspired person known as the FF BLACKMAIL ARTIST, we here at FF Admin would like to inform you that even though we have supplied you with $10 free (as we do with all members), we do not ask anything in return from you except that you CEASE AND DESIST FROM YOUR ILL MOTIVATED PURSUITS. (While you quietly reap the benefits of your FREE Foreign-Fund account that you did'nt even have to supply your own capital with). How much nicer do we need to be to you? And what are you bringing FF and all of its members (me the Editor included) but a massive, collective headache?
The ironic part is, if you would simply be patient, even the free $10 we gave you for joining would eventually add up to at least a few nice Christmas gifts.
So, since you have chosen the criminal route, we must now inform you that if you cannot supply us with this very simple and decent request, (to CEASE AND DESIST) you will FORCE FF to undertake VERY REAL AND ACTUAL CRIMINAL LEGAL PROCEEDINGS AGAINST YOU, AND YOU WILL WIND UP IN JAIL WHERE ALL CRIMINALS BELONG.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

If you have any membership questions at all, please do not hesitate to contact us at: support@foreign-fund.com
Enjoy your profits!

regards
memorex

Posted by: awty

Edited by me...
Jeff

Posted by: Runner7

"A plea for more money?"

Thats the way I read it, In my opinion you are right.

Runner7

Posted by: betrdanevr

Hi, all. I'm an investor in FF and I really have to chime in here and say that I personally made several requests to admin to take a hard-line stance with the people who have been harassing the program, and I congratulate Martin for sending out that letter. So personally, I don't view it as a plea for cash. It's a response to a lot of ugly behavior that has been displayed on the FF forum as of late. There are people out here in HYPland, and I'm not of course referring to the good folks in this thread, who seem to be "out to get" Foreign Fund, and I think the attacks are obnoxious. There is plenty of better "fodder," if you will, to attack, in my opinion.

FF admin admits that the address listed on their site, King of Prussia, PA, is a "virtual address," meaning they pay so much a month to have an address listed there. I can't understand why somebody would go to that extent, but, for whatever reason, they chose to do so. I've seen PLENTY of other sites that don't even offer an address, or so it seems to me. I was one of the first folks to question the address on the forum, because it does, quite frankly, "peeve" me when I see inaccurate or misleading information because in my book it just ain't necessary.

Somebody came on the forum a few weeks back, purportedly representing a large group of investors, and announced that they had been by the address in PA and nobody knew anything about FF. Well, if this guy is who he says he is, he should know better than to think that any HYIP admin would list a street address on their web site -- particularly one in the good ole US of A. [-X
I personally view posts like that to be inflammatory and only made for the purpose of inciting dissatisfaction and debunking a program, and I find it to be very shoddy ethics. Then follows a string of DD requests, followed by very disgruntled people shouting, "Admin!! This is my fifth request to ________!" Some of these posts, I also have to find questionable, as you don't see this kind of behavior in general on other forums.

People need to realize that in FF there are two kind of accounts: noncompounding and compounding. With the noncompounding account, one may withdraw their interest to e-gold automatically. I've done it. It works. People have been over there howling for the last day or two about that, and they don't seem to be very experienced or "up" on issues such as problems with e-gold itself. I think this just serves to spawn more dissatisfaction. Today I was able to withdraw interest.

The compounding account works in a different way. One can set their account to roll over every 30 days (from their anniversary date) or request a withdrawal of interest. This interest withdrawal doesn't seem to be as automatic as the interest withdrawal in the noncompounding account. I've seen seasoned HYIP investors over there -- and some who I suspect are seasoned but not using their regular "handles" -- who are requesting to get the interest from their noncompounding accounts or to cash out totally and they're expecting it to be done rather instantly. I submit to you that even in the N-L group -- and I'm more "comfortable" there, obviously, than with FF -- they request that you give them 24-48 hours to complete the transaction. I believe it is much, much more useful and fair to everyone concerned to post dates of inquiry if one is going to start howling on a forum. I guarantee you, there are other HYIPs that would send your money back and lock you out -- or one would hope!!

I'm all for asking questions and getting answers from any HYIP admin, as I have a news reporter type personality and I think it's important, but there is obviously a major campaign going on to trash FF, and I'm requesting that FF lock its forum to non-investors.
They say they're going to go private in January, anyway. Time will tell if this proves to be a decent program or not. I know there are many who say it's a ponzi setup. Maybe so. I've seen lots of experienced investors invest in ponzis, and they know when to get in and when to get out. I just cannot STAND it when a bunch of self-righteous know-it-alls go on a campaign to trash somebody in the name of "protecting" people because there are many, many folks that they hurt along the way. . .

Food for thought, anyway.

Regards,
Terri

Posted by: memorex

No matter who, or what people say, there will always be the sceptic.

Who thinks that every thing and everyone that they come in touch with in this field is a scam or a ponzi .

To be perfectly honest they all are part of the same bandwagon.

And it is just that some are better than others and it is also a preference of choice .

Whether or not we care to invest in any or all of these type of programs.

In the case of the above program I posted the letter in good faith and to date have seen no reason why it should be ridiculed.

I do not know whether it is in a sound financial state or not and neither do the ridiculers it is all supposition.

In my mind we can all call a program without real proof but in the end we can also be very very wrong in our judgement.

I have been guilty of this in the past myself and I am sure it wont be my last.

But I will always be mature enough to admit when I am wrong.

I tend to agree with betrdanevr that unless there is some solid proof to the contrary.

People should reserve there judgement for a later date or another worth while cause.

regards
memorex

Posted by: awty

I did some looking around FF yesterday. I may have been out of line. I'll edit the post, and would like to apologize if I have caused anyone any problems.
Jeff

Posted by: betrdanevr

Jeff, you are one good egg, and IMHO you owe NOBODY any apologies.

You put a lot of thought into your posts. You put a lot of "heart" into contributing to the HYIP forum world.

Even where and when you express skepticism -- which we all do from time to time, and 90 percent of our skepticism about HYIPs is probably well warranted! -- but even when you express skepticism, you do it in a respectful and grown-up manner. My comments were not directed at you specifically.

(I'm glad you read the FF forum and got a load of what I was letting off steam about!)

By the way, there's an Asian referral monger, I'll call it, on FF, who's been offering a 30% rebate of referral commissions to investors, and he's probably making a killing.

Well, tonight, this little old southern gal (me) has decided to give this dude a run for his money, so effective tonight, I have posted my url in the FF forum, and I'm upping his ante on the referral rebates. I'm not announcing this here with the intent of getting more business. I just wanted to make note that when I made the above post, I had nothing particular to gain at the time other than protection of the HYIP, of course. And I'm getting a little tired of the guy (mentioned above). Heck, maybe after a few weeks I'll pass the torch to another FF member! :-$

Regards,
Terri

Here in the South, we use forks and knives but finish the job with biscuits and cornbread!

Posted by: memorex

Quote:

Originally Posted by awty

I did some looking around FF yesterday. I may have been out of line. I'll edit the post, and would like to apologize if I have caused anyone any problems.
Jeff

Awty you havent caused anyone any problems this is about the threads on other forums.

Not about your little thread regarding looking for more money I only posted that report as I recieved it hence the"quotes"

The predators as I call them were using the FF for their ridicule and also still going and getting their $10.00 and just collecting the interest and being really rude about the program with it .

They were calling it a scam I dont know whether it is or not and it was a ponzi again I dont know the only way we will find the truth is in time.

So dont think that my post was maligned against you either because it wasnt it was against the predators.

regards
memorex

Posted by: awty

Well, to be honest, I don't see it lasting very long, but who knows. Brideby last(ed?) quite a while. There's a lot of 'idle chatter' on the FF forum, along with the usual 'referral mongers'. People asking for DD, as well, and not being very nice about it, then complaining when there is no 'instant response' to everything thrown at Admin. To be fair, I wouldn't respond to a lot of the stuff being posted if I was running it, either. I'll admit that I occasionally get 'out of line' in posting, but there are some who just plain aren't even attempting to be polite. That's not usually helpful in gaining assistance/information, anywhere! I'll see if I eventually get the 'free' $10.00, and go from there. It's definitely not going on my 'A' list.
Some unusual things on the site. Like, the last 20 deposits and withdrawals are listed. Personally, I like to keep my deposits and withdrawals to myself, not having them displayed to the world. While I realize that it does show people being ABLE to make withdrawals (Sounds more to me like a reaction to the Brideby situation, than original thinking, but I don't know.).
Anyway, 'interesting' to say the least...
Jeff

Posted by: betrdanevr

(Edited by me)

Posted by: awty

Well, ANYTIME someone offers 'free money' on the Net, I have some serious questions. I'm in another program that uses the same 'setup', and I've still not convinced it's quite 'as advertised'.
There's some originality there, but much has been copied.

There will almost always be 'questionable' posts on ANY forum. Crank the old 'BS detector' up to 'high', and take everything with a grain of salt. The 'admin' SHOULD (My opinion) be dealing with things as fairly as possible. Over time, motive(s) might become clearer, if you watch carefully. However, from what I've heard, I would NOT trust the bank account information. And, usually, when one thing is not trustworthy, there MAY be others. Mistakes can be made, of course, but, as I mention, over time, a consistent pattern will likely show up, and can be picked up on, if watched carefully enough. Sometimes, a carefully worded comment/question can solicit an answer that gives just a little more information than desired/intended, at times, when put together with other information. Something I have found useful.

"why oh why would a HYIP post it on the web site and also post the name of a Swiss bank in their public forum"

The most obvious reason for me? To build confidence that the program is 'real', and is actually associated with a bank. There's a reason that the term 'conman' is rooted from the word 'confidence'...
Of course, I doubt that a Swiss bank would divulge ANY information (I've even heard 'rumors' of a possible contitution change there), so it would be a 'given' that they could STATE they had an account there... (Yes, we have an account there, but of COURSE it's 'protected', so no, you can't have the info, just believe us on this..........).

I don't know the facts, but suggest caution. From what I've seen, I would be VERY careful there...

Jeff

Posted by: betrdanevr

I'm going to e-mail ya, Jeff.

Terri

Posted by: memorex

Quote:

Originally Posted by awty

Well, to be honest, I don't see it lasting very long, but who knows. Brideby last(ed?) quite a while. There's a lot of 'idle chatter' on the FF forum, along with the usual 'referral mongers'. People asking for DD, as well, and not being very nice about it, then complaining when there is no 'instant response' to everything thrown at Admin. To be fair, I wouldn't respond to a lot of the stuff being posted if I was running it, either. I'll admit that I occasionally get 'out of line' in posting, but there are some who just plain aren't even attempting to be polite. That's not usually helpful in gaining assistance/information, anywhere! I'll see if I eventually get the 'free' $10.00, and go from there. It's definitely not going on my 'A' list.
Some unusual things on the site. Like, the last 20 deposits and withdrawals are listed. Personally, I like to keep my deposits and withdrawals to myself, not having them displayed to the world. While I realize that it does show people being ABLE to make withdrawals (Sounds more to me like a reaction to the Brideby situation, than original thinking, but I don't know.).
Anyway, 'interesting' to say the least...
Jeff

According to the faq page in the forum Jeff you dont get the $10 you only get the interest accrued from it I may be wrong but that is the way I read it.
regards
memorex

Posted by: Winsindo

Quote:

Originally Posted by memorex

According to the faq page in the forum Jeff you dont get the $10 you only get the interest accrued from it I may be wrong but that is the way I read it.
regards
memorex

That's correct, so the way it goes is as follows :

1. Register today e.g. in their Non-Compound program, and spend nothing.
2. After 30 days later, we'll start to see that the investment amount will be set to $10.00 and the available to withdraw will grow $0.10 daily --> $3.00 in a month.
3. We could withdraw anytime and the transfer to our e-Gold account is instant -> the best in the industry re. this transfer time.

I did join just to answer my curiousity about FF, and despite they actually deliver the above promise, I agree with Jeff and I wouldn't put them even in my "B" list, at least until another few months.

About listing the last 20 deposits and withdrawals, they really show ones in real time, not a bogus make-up execution.
But again I'm with Jeff and I don't feel it right displaying them to the world, it's more as their promotion tool.
I guess it'd be OK for those who take advantage of the free $10 , but not to their real Investors, my personal opinion.

Winsindo

Posted by: jaukki

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winsindo

1. Register today e.g. in their Non-Compound program, and spend nothing.
2. After 30 days later, we'll start to see that the investment amount will be set to $10.00 and the available to withdraw will grow $0.10 daily --> $3.00 in a month.
3. We could withdraw anytime and the transfer to our e-Gold account is instant -> the best in the industry re. this transfer time.

Or signup to compunding plan, wait 30 days and and your account will grow $0.20 per day and $6.00 will be available to withdrawal after a month.

Posted by: awty

Well, I'll see what happens. From a quick look, it appears that it may be a ponzi, and I noted the 'usual' - tried to withdraw several times, and it went on the xth time... with all of the possibilities that entails... - actually, I'm not planning on seeing anything back from it, just signed up to take a look.
Suspicions confirmed, at least for me, I have my answer...
Many questions to Admin, didn't see too many answers.
While it may work for some, for me, no thanks.
Jeff
(Thanks, Terri!)

Posted by: betrdanevr

Hi, all!

I don't know why I even got involved with FF in the first place 'cause I figured it probably was a ponzi with the $10 come-on and all. Somebody told me to come hop aboard, though, so I figured what the heck, eh? <g>

Regarding the $10 sign-up bonus, some of us have been encouraging admin to not give it away as a freebie unless someone also makes the $10 min. deposit. (I'm also in Caribe-FX, and, as I understand it, one has 90 days to make a deposit or the $10 is "lost".) Anyway, supposedly FF is going private in January, and at that time they will discontinue the $10 signup bonus in order to pay better interest, so they say.

And yeah, Jeff, there's a lot of questions to admin. Too many questions. Some are very legitimate questions and need answers, and some are just idiotic questions, if you will, where these folks aren't reading the web site or other posts. There are obviously lots of newbies there.

BTW, have you guys seen/been a HY where they took the depositors funds and placed 'em in an offshore account??? (Of course this begs the question if FF will still be around, but aside from that!) How does this work? Any insight? I am not comfortable with the concept at this point.

Terri

Posted by: Anonymous

Hi Terri -

If - big if, I might add, an HYIP is doing real trading, they have to transfer your funds to a bank account, offshore if they're smart (unless they plan to trade in the States), because real markets trade with dollars and other fiat currencies, not e-gold.

HTH -
Rhys

Posted by: betrdanevr

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhysem

Hi Terri -

If - big if, I might add, an HYIP is doing real trading, they have to transfer your funds to a bank account, offshore if they're smart (unless they plan to trade in the States), because real markets trade with dollars and other fiat currencies, not e-gold.

HTH -
Rhys

Uh-oh, Rys! Does this, then, mean that if a HYIP admin claims they're doing forex trading with our e-gold funds, then that's a lie?

Terri

Posted by: Anonymous

I don't know of any Forex traders who trade with e-gold, but I do not know everything.

With places like BetonMarkets, you can use e-gold, for real trading (not just betting) I believe it has to be fiat currency.

Can anyone help me out here? I seriously have never heard of any Forex or stock trading done in digital currencies. Some traders will accept digital currencies, but they have to be transferred to bank accounts. With HYIP like Nova-Lights, they have a big enough float in e-gold to deal with daily withdrawals and the like, so they can pay daily without the lag-time. But most HYIPs don't.

What HYIP told you it was doing Forex using e-gold?

Rhys

Posted by: awty

NOPE! No FOREX trading in digital currencies. Therefore, a NECESSARY time delay to move funds. Exchanging from digital to 'real' currencies, and then transferring to the 'trading/trader's' account, THEN can go into trade. Anybody claiming otherwise?
Brings up some serious questions, about MANY programs, when you consider this, doesn't it...

Jeff

(There are likely many HYIPs claiming to do trading, but please consider this... And, if I'm wrong, PLEASE point it out!)

Posted by: Anonymous

I don't think you are, Jeff. I used to dabble in Forex, and never heard of anyone using digital currencies. My stock trader will accept e-gold or e-bullion for small amounts and then have that wired to a trading account through an exchanger, but for larger amounts it's bank wires only.

I know that NL does trading, but again - they keep a float in e-gold, that's why you can get paid every day. With most HYIPs and most traders, if you use digital currencies at all, it will go through the process I described above - and then back again if you are paid through a digital currency. And it does take a bit of time.

So Terri - which admin just admitted they were running a scam?
:evil:

Cheers -
Rhys

Posted by: memorex

No I have not heard of any market trading with a digital currency,
I used to dabble in the forex as well .
And I always have had to exchange my e-gold for as I call it a real currency before it has been accepted.
This has sometimes taken up to 14 days and sometimes a lot longer depending on the bank that is doing the transfer.
Because of missing transfers and such like it is not as simple as doing it with your credit/debit card or even bank wires which can be transacted back and forth as I have done previously.

regards
memorex

Posted by: Winsindo

Are you ready to hear about the Ultimate Breaking News of the Week, Folks ?

Posted by a member (Sherlock) at TB2I Forum : http://www.tb2i.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=12132#12132

Quote:

Dunno about yourselves guys, but I have always found weird that the CEO of that program is apparently so poor she had to take a side job and go do some modeling in free templates to eke out a living !

From http://foreign-fund.com/ comes Susan :
http://foreign-fund.com/images/img.jpg

Other appeareances include
http://www.designgalaxy.net/images/...1000/1005/0.jpg

http://www.designgalaxy.net/images/...1000/1004/1.jpg

http://www.designgalaxy.net/images/...1000/1004/0.jpg

C'mon Susan, invest in Foreign Fund and quit the side job ! Susan the CEO, coming soon to a template near you !

Yes, IMHO these guys are a joke.

Enjoy it friends,

Winsindo

Posted by: memorex

Quote:

Things are getting very exciting around here at FF indeed!
Many new developments are happening and we feel extremely pleased
to present them to you. (With only one bit of bad news, but don't worry,
if you're smart, you'll take our advice and avoid getting scammed)!
Okay, here goes (take a deep breath)...

1) Foreign-Fund will soon be merging with a prime Offshore Bank
and when this is finalized (the website is almost finished)
we'll be offering (you our dear members) beautiful, shiny new debit cards
for you to spend your effortlessly earned profits with to your
heart's delight!

2) Has anyone noticed that Gold has just gone over the $400 USD mark?
because of this incredibly good news, Foreign-Fund members will now benefit
greatly by witnessing higher monthly percentages. Is the word 'fantastic'
coming into anyone's mind yet?

3) Our last trading week was very successful. We'll be posting a graph on our

site soon for those of you who are graph-nuts. Again, this means higher
percentages for anyone who happens to be a lucky (read skillful) member of
this obviously very profitable Forex/E-gold investment program called
Foreign-Fund.
Now for a brief intermission:
For those who don't know where to download our cool new banner, here is

the link:

www.foreign-fund.com/banner.gif
And now the bad news (don't get nervous, there's more good news ahead

!

Somebody is spamming/scamming our members! Being a member of FF
you might very well be aware of this already, but they go by the name
'Egold-Trader'. They are 100% SCAM, and they are stating that they are
'better than Foreign-Fund'.
Well, we respond to this by saying:
It is unfortunate that you are scamming your poor, unwitting investors
out of their hard earned money, we feel sorry for you and all of them
combined, and...MAY GOD BLESS YOU, BUT STAY AWAY FROM OUR CLIENTS!
And to any FF members who may be about to fall into their sticky little trap,
remember this before you decide to defect-
ANY TRULY GOOD, HONEST AND DECENT PROGRAM WILL NEVER ADVERTISE THEMSELVES AS
BEING BETTER THAN ANOTHER ONE, AND WILL NEVER, EVER SCAM YOU.

Though Foreign-Fund is clearly one of the best HYI programs on the internet,
we have never had the need to state that we are better than any one of
our competitors, and we have never and will never defraud any person
of their wealth. The price we pay for our legitimacy is summed up by one word:
Accountability. This is Foreign-Fund's hallmark of excellence,
and the bad news ends here.
On to the rest of the good news!
Wait! I forgot to mention something...
There's been a HUGE increase of old members asking for a

refund, closing their account and then signing up again to receive

the 10$ bonus. We can't afford to spend another $25,000 each week on 'phony

bonuses', so the new rules are:

A $10 BONUS WILL BE ADDED TO YOUR FIRST DEPOSIT IMMEDIATELY. MINIMUM DEPOSIT -

$10. Fair enough?

The old deal used to be that the $10 BONUS was PAID AFTER 30 DAYS, and no
deposit was required.

But now, THOSE WHO HAVE JOINED BEFORE AND DIDN'T INVEST ANY FUNDS

INTO OUR PROGRAM AND USED ONLY THE $10 BONUS SHOULD MAKE A DEPOSIT BEFORE

12.12.2003. Otherwise we'll have to cancel the bonus. Sorry guys...

We have warned members before not to open more than 2

accounts at the same time - but some of them have up to 200 (!)
Fortunately, our motto is 'Don't get even, get organized'!

So...before the Bank merge we'll have to clean the database - and
all duplicate accounts will be removed. (Thanks for the inspiration!)
Whew!

Now for the rest of the good news:
Members with accounts over $4,000 will

receive a 12% bonus as a Christmas gift, AND THE JANUARY RETURN RATE WILL

INCREASE BY 12% AS WELL (For ALL members)!

Also, our 1st 2 Million USD (yes you read that correctly)
deposit has been received - this is why we are raising
the yield for all of you, and this is why you have another reason to
smile this Christmas.

Happy holidays to all of you (even the scammers)
from all of us here at Foreign-Fund.

If you have any membership questions at all, please do not hesitate to contact us at: support@foreign-fund.com
Enjoy your profits!

Posted by: betrdanevr

That was funny about Susan D.! I knew it was a canned one, but my hat's off to the person who collected all the examples!

And so there we have it, Winsindo, about the "prime offshore bank." Guess I'm getting a shiny new debit card, but I wonder if the charge for said card will be greater than the balance in my FF account?? Whaddaya think?

Terri

Posted by: memorex

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winsindo

Are you ready to hear about the Ultimate Breaking News of the Week, Folks ?

Posted by a member (Sherlock) at TB2I Forum : http://www.tb2i.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=12132#12132

Quote:

Enjoy it friends,

Winsindo

Well I have to say I am at a loss, as to why this is a find, in my opinion.

All of the pics come from a design Galaxy template .

So there is nothing unusual about this, as most HYIP programs use set templates .

Of course there is a possibility that they struck a deal with the template people to use these personal pics.

Which may or may not be one of the CEO 's of FF but I doubt it most Pictures in this arena are for the birds.

None of them want to see their pictures published on the world web in case of implication from authorities.

Or if they do a runner there is nothing to give the searcher a helpful edge.

So although this program has been ridiculed by many on the forums I dont see any substance only supposition.

I have said many times before there are no real programs in the HYIP arena.

It is just some are outright scams,and some have bad managers of investors funds.

Or it is a beginner improvising, and using it to gain experience with other peoples money rather than their own.

But this guy Sherlock hasnt shown me anything about FF which is a joke he has only looked at a template and put 2+2 together and found 5 ?.

But I am sure there will be many that want to explain away this fact and a lot of other supposed ideas, there always is.

But in all honesty its time to get your minds linked to the main frame of thinking.

That this is not the real thing, nothing here is, whether we like it or not.

regards
memorex

Posted by: Sherlock

Hi Memorex and others,
"this guy Sherlock" being myself, and as I just joined this forum, I just wanted to make it clear I did not point an accusatory finger to throw these guys to the lions. I'd be the last one wishing to propagate unfounded rumours. The only thing I wanted to underline about that program is that I felt they were not being upfront - frankly other emails I received from them tend to reinforce that impression IMHO.
I do not mind a comstock image going around to illustrate a site, and you are correct it could be a privacy concern. However I do not feel that in such a world where trust and truth are the #1 concern, they should act as if their CEO is addressing investors that way.
I *DO* hope that program's for real, but excuse me for being really wary from now on. I am just careful about a program that seems to put forward an image CEO whose reputation is so great she's nowhere to be found in Google (http://www.google.com/search?q=Susa...=UTF-8&filter=0) whereas in my email this morning I had an email from them explaining they had just had a $ 2,000,000 investment...

Posted by: Anonymous

Memorex wrote:

Quote:

I have said many times before there are no real programs in the HYIP arena.

With all due respect, and please take this question in the spirit it is intended: If it's all Disneyland, why are you here?

No malice, just curiosity.

Thanks -
Rhys

Posted by: betrdanevr

Rhys,

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What HYIP told you it was doing Forex using e-gold?

I guess my brain may be getting muddled here. Nobody said they're trading in Forex using e-gold. I never looked past the point that I'm depositing in a particular HYIP using e-gold. Makes sense that a HYIP would convert the e-gold to currency and then do Forex trading, because that's what Forex trading is.

I've just never been told that my e-gold was going to be transferred into whatever it's going to be transferred into and then deposited into an offshore bank!

Regards,
Terri

Posted by: Anonymous

It's okay Terri - one of these days soon you'll be transferring your own e-gold into fiat currency and depositing it in an off-shore bank and it will seem 'normal'.

Either that, or I've been here way too long 8-[

Cheers -
Rhys

Posted by: Winsindo

Quote:

Originally Posted by memorex

I have said many times before there are no real programs in the HYIP arena

Don't you feel that's a statement too strong to be addressed, and not really fair to be stamped to a few others, memorex ?

We all know that "most" (90 to 99% perhaps) HYIPs are not real :
Faceless Con-Artists / claiming doing what they don't actually do / phony name, address, telephone, fake DD proofs --> boiling down to one single goal --> to rip-off their members' money and make a good fade-out run.

But I do believe there are small number of honest / real person / legit doing real Trading or even Pooled Fund HYIPs.
Some of them even go out off their nest meeting members.
And for obvious reason some of them do disguise their name / address etc. and openly decline a DD performed on their program and id.

Still there are risks in these type of HYIPs for unable to deliver their promise(s) :
Real big loss(es), poor money management, internal problems etc.

But I expect Honesty, that's one of my personal DD on HYIPs.
It might not be a black and white hard evidence of proofs, but we could "sense" it also through many other different ways.

Re. FF, just couldn't get that good feeling, personally.
Many e-mails / questions are left un-answered, the Susan photo model issue etc.

Another member posted that particular news at FF Forum, and guess what, they deleted it right away.
IMHO if they're doing what they claim they do, it'd be much wiser to just clarify the matter by telling that indeed it wasn't Susan's pic. and .... bla bla bla.
Rather than committing the deletion which in a way for me, is a kind of admitting that they've been doing un-ethical play since the beginning.

Just my 2 cents,

Winsindo

Posted by: memorex

Quote:

Originally Posted by betrdanevr

Rhys,

Quote:

What HYIP told you it was doing Forex using e-gold?

Well betrdanevr

I presume you are talking about this program they call Foreign Fund which all this hooo Haa is about.

When they are trading for you , I presume they are allowing an LTA (Limited Trading Authority) which they have transferred the e-gold to a currency and placed this in an offshore account .

This it is not unusual for this to be the practice so the traders can work on the base capital.

Whether or not it is for real in this case, I cant honestly say, but this is the only reason ,I can presume that this is why.

And here I am presuming again is where there safety clause comes in but it still wont stop losses if they occur.

Well not on the real markets it doesnt, so you either have to believe them. and go with the flow, or take out your money and find something , that you feel you can trust in a better light.
All in all if it is a scam it will all come out in the wash and in a timely manner.

regards
memorex

Posted by: memorex

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sherlock

Hi Memorex and others,
"this guy Sherlock" being myself, and as I just joined this forum, I just wanted to make it clear I did not point an accusatory finger to throw these guys to the lions. I'd be the last one wishing to propagate unfounded rumours. The only thing I wanted to underline about that program is that I felt they were not being upfront - frankly other emails I received from them tend to reinforce that impression IMHO.
I do not mind a comstock image going around to illustrate a site, and you are correct it could be a privacy concern. However I do not feel that in such a world where trust and truth are the #1 concern, they should act as if their CEO is addressing investors that way.
I *DO* hope that program's for real, but excuse me for being really wary from now on. I am just careful about a program that seems to put forward an image CEO whose reputation is so great she's nowhere to be found in Google (http://www.google.com/search?q=Susa...=UTF-8&filter=0) whereas in my email this morning I had an email from them explaining they had just had a $ 2,000,000 investment...

Hello and Welcome Sherlock
I wasnt pointing an accusing finger at you either and I am sure the program in question.
Is not alone in not being upfront as you or I call it and neither is 97% of the others out there.
I just didnt and still dont see the connection of a template being the verdict of a program being a joke or scam whether it is or not I didnt see a connection in that post .
There are so many things you can look up on google and the answer is only there if they wish it to be there.
The same with a DNS of a website it is only what they want you to see.
The Dan Perry saga was an example &Phill-ex

so was Brideby,Fxto,UGT,Share.GSI,Pecunia Club and many more with many others to follow.
I also received this email and I posted it to the forum but as for the large investment well I cant vouch for this also as I am not in the know or their accountants confidence.
And as for being wary there is nothing wrong with this concept as it will save you money in the end but there is a limit to how wary you can get especially in this arena.
regards
memorex

Posted by: memorex

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhysem

Memorex wrote:

Quote:

I have said many times before there are no real programs in the HYIP arena.

With all due respect, and please take this question in the spirit it is intended: If it's all Disneyland, why are you here?

No malice, just curiosity.

Thanks -
Rhys

I am here in the same light that most are here, I saw a possible chance and I mean, chance! [-o< .
Of making a quick buck, which I have been able to do for a while now and there has been no other reason apart from the monetary side. ](*,) .
If I was a SCAMMER or bullshitter [-X I could turn on the waffle and say well :^o .
I like the closeness and the camaraderie of my fellow investors lol!! :-({|=
regards
memorex

Posted by: memorex

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winsindo

Don't you feel that's a statement too strong to be addressed, and not really fair to be stamped to a few others, memorex ?

In a word No, there are obviously better managers of funds, out there, than some and whether they say it is a pooled fund or investing I have yet to be convinced .
But as long as I can take my 1-1.5% a day I am happy to do so but I have no illusions about what or where the money comes from.

regards
memorex

Posted by: bibinje

on this issue,i'll have to agree with memorex.anywhere i look these days,just can't find a good program(besides the ones i am invested in right now,you know ,the usual suspects).now,i know i haven't been around as some of you,but it's just the way i see it!some say diversify.i say in what?they all seem interconnected to some point.even aussie gold had quite a big list of diversified funds(sorry to bring it up)but luckily it was run by an honest admin(you don't see that every day)who will,or already did pay back everyone.for me, it's no more investing untill after the new year.and yes,i know,don't put in what you can't afford to lose.this sentence is widely used by every program.so to me it is just that ,a gamble.thank you for listening.

Posted by: awty

Yes, definitely a gamble. Calculated risk, educated guess, call it what you want. Facts are few, hype is overdone. And, in the midst of it, there is profit, if you 'get lucky'...
I like MR's line - You can be wary, but only to a point, if you're trying to profit in this arena. And, I call it that because many times, it IS a circus!
Jeff

Posted by: betrdanevr

Latest management announcement from FF:

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WE WANT TO HOLD A PRIVATE MEETING IN JANUARY, Private Placement Program will be introduced: 75%-150% monthly, 50K min to join. Only serious inquiries please,

Fundraising going on here?

The sad thing to me is the amount of people who have been drawn to FF because of the $10 signup bonus and they're coming from the pay-to-click programs, not knowing what HYIP is all about.

Terri

Posted by: memorex

Quote:

Originally Posted by betrdanevr

Latest management announcement from FF:

Quote:

WE WANT TO HOLD A PRIVATE MEETING IN JANUARY, Private Placement Program will be introduced: 75%-150% monthly, 50K min to join. Only serious inquiries please,

Any one that puts $50,000.00 into any HYIP should take a little walk down the road and have there sanity checked out by the local crackpot doctor .

And If they have done this sort of thing in this investment arena then they obviously have more money than sense and are just plain greedy and deserve everything they get.

As far as I am concerned this is not where you place this sort of funding.The HYIP arena is where you gain your first step in the investment ladder, not the last where you can fall off in one foul swoop.

The most I would place in any HYIP and certainly not in the beginning is $500.00 as I feel this an average deposit which you can afford to lose.

And after I have recouped my seed money, then, I may consider letting it ride for a while.

But my strategy would still be to take a regular profit in varying percentages and not leave it till they decided to close and lose all .

regards
memorex

Posted by: awty

And interesting twist. I would guess that I can now say, being fairly certain, that the $2 million dollar investor might just be a lure.
Terri, I do believe that you're onto it, that's one of the ways that this can be played. With the changes on the $10.00, I'm not planning on seeing ANYTHING from them. Suggest EXTREME caution. If I had any funds there, I would grab what I could, and get out. Likely headed for 'rough waters', in my opinion...
And, yes, it's a shame that the 'newbies' are possibly being 'played'... SSDD.... (Same 'stuff', different day).

Just my opinion,
Jeff

Posted by: memorex

As far as I am concerned the words Extreme Caution Apply to every one of the HYIP Programs that are in this arena Awty .

Not just this one and after all things said and done, if you are in this get your seed money out as quickly as possible.

And if you havent well on your own head be it , I have only had a test spend in this and I have 100% back so the most I can lose is the other 0% .

)
the rest is a profit if it comes off but as I have said in many posts I havent got a clue.

regards
memorex

Posted by: betrdanevr

Memorex, I hear ya. I went in with $30 a little over a month ago and came out with $37 profit. "Whew," is all I can say.

Granted my experience in this arena has been limited to approx. 4 months now, but I seem to have become a little bit "consumed" with reading about and checking into HYIPs ever since. And this one is very unusual . . . or so it seems to me. It's outside of the "Trust me. Our traders have the new technology to make your due profit and your money is safe with us!" It's not a 20% daily or a 1500% before Christmas or a free web site or a cheap web site or a Yahoo moderated group.

There is so much "wooing" going on here, it's quite remarkable. You've got the soothing sound of the waves, the snazzy web site, the allowing of the postings by the folks who are obviously just plain anti-HYIP. Denial of DD on a forum may not be so unusual, but this one kind of strikes me as obtaining "cult" status! LOL

One thing that is absolutely tickling the heck out of me -- and it's because I *know* one of the new "admins-in-training" -- is that this particular fellow has TOTALLY changed his attitude and point of view from three months ago. I met this guy through a member-to-member subscription program, which ultimately bit the dust after three failed launches. He was shouting "ponzi" all over the place for weeks and coming in and out of the forum, shouting how the government was going to get involved. He was even kidded about going and getting some **********. Then he got mad and came back, declaring he'd gotten the government involved, blah-blah. Ultimately, he was locked out, and kept coming back in as a guest. finally he gave up the issue after several days.

Someone states that they've read FF is a ponzi, and he declares, "Don't believe everything you hear. Do your research!"

I ended up on the floor with my sides splitting on that one.

Terri