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Originally Posted by nunulka
What´s the biggest mistake you´ve ever made in your "hyip career". Post here
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Originally Posted by golddust
NelsonN, sorry to hear your losses with JPD. There were definite indicators of the risks associated with the admin. Indeed, though "JP" was/is a scammer, he has disclaimed responsibility for losses by reminding members to invest sensibly and withdraw initial spend and profits regularly. Plus, there were no restrictions on w/d limits, except by min deposit required.
There is really no reason anyone should have lost money with JPD, except for the "greed factor". Lessons learned. |
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Originally Posted by NelsonN
I ignored his past history, yes. But he had lost everyones' money back in October. So he was lying to everyone. I never got a chance to withdraw a single cent. I was one of the recent investors. I know of people who wired him money the day before he posted his last message. They never even got a chance to see their name on his bogus update list!
Anyway, the scum is back because he is feeling the heat. People have even contacted his parents and the police in the UK. So now, instead of April 6, he will be working on refunds now around March 11. But I feel that as before, they will just be empty promises. |
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Originally Posted by TSGc
Not checking the backing and having contact phone numbers for the ones running the program.
That's a mistake I made at first, and I'm sure there are others that did the same. If you can't contact the Admin of a program, and don't have proof of their backing, you are GOING TO LOSE sooner or later. That's a FACT! Now, I only work with one group, and they also back other plans that I have joined, and haven't lost yet. Nor will I ever lose again. thesamgroup.net Can any of you tell me a plan that has been around over 500 days? |
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Originally Posted by golddust
He really lost all everyone's money back in October?! Where did you learn of this?
I am not at all surprised members would be contacting mum & dad. He was very foolish to flaunt his lifestyle. If he is wise, he will be sure to pack his own chute. |
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To All Investors of Just-Pays-Daily:
In the wake of Richard O’Neill’s announcement regarding the failure of the program, several of the largest investors have been working behind the scenes to see what we might be able to do to “rectify” the situation and recover the losses that have been made.
In talking extensively with one another, we have pooled our collective business and investment experience and believe we have created a viable recovery plan for those of you who might be interested. We will say upfront that the plan involves Richard O’Neill in a significant role, but is not totally dependent upon him for its success.
We will not comment on Richard’s past activities with JP-Daily, as we think that all that can be said has been said in various forums and undoubtedly in many emails that folks have sent him. His participation in this recovery program is a business decision that was weighed carefully and is judged a calculated risk. By his own admission, he screwed up and we will leave it at that. We understand however, if anyone decides never to get involved in any venture involving him.
Generally speaking, what initially attracted those of us who invested heavily in JP-Daily was the plan. It was brilliantly conceived and had it been adhered to, none of us would be in the position we find ourselves in today. What was lacking was discipline, experience, maturity and proper controls. We are addressing each of those issues and more in our recovery plan.
Our goal is twofold: recovery of principle for the participants and generating a continuing cash flow. This will not be a program for attempting to get rich via excessive compounding. We want to keep things practical and feasible.
What we wish to know is, “how many people would be interested in the plan we propose?”
Here is our plan in broad strokes:
1.This will be a Private Program. This will be a legitimate private program with limited participation.
The plan is offered to all former JPD members but is be limited to 100 participants.
We anticipate having a pool for interested smaller investors to participate in, but we do not know what the requirements for the pool will be at this time.
2.Raise New Capital. The fact is, it is going to take cash in order to recover our previous losses. Our goal is to raise $100,000. Buy-in to this program will require a minimum of $1000. New capital funds will be added to the principle accounts of former JPD members.
A minimum of 50 participants will be required in order for this program to proceed.
3.Division and Investment of Funds. This would be a key point for the new program. We aim to split the new capital in two with 50% going towards gaming (poker) as was intended before and the other 50% going into a new managed investment fund. (We are currently evaluating a few promising options.) The poker funds would be allocated towards cash flow and the managed funds would be allocated towards recovery of principle.
4.New Administration & Money Management. A new team will manage this plan. We will set up private web sites, forums, communication systems and direct the flow of funds, etc. as necessary. If we elect to go ahead with this, we intend to run and administrate this as a business with proper controls and procedures. E-bullion will be used for all transactions.
5.Return of New Capital. This is a priority. As quickly as possible, investors will see their new $1000 returned from poker earnings.
However, no earnings or withdrawals would be paid out to investors for 30 days in order to grow the gaming half of the New Capital account.
6.Recover Lost Principle. After the new capital has been returned, 50% of earnings would begin to be paid out as cash and 50% would be applied to the principle account to keep it growing. Once we’ve recovered the full principle of involved investors, they would then be able to withdraw principle at a maximum rate of 20% per month.
Allocations would be based on each investor’s principle account (just like a bankruptcy might be handled, lined up in order of claim).
Whether or not we proceed with this plan depends on the amount of interest. If sufficient interest exists, we will begin to put the plan in motion and announce the details. If not, we’ll drop it and proceed with plans of our own.
If you are are interested in participating in this recovery plan as described, then send an email to our temporary autoresponder account: jpd-recovery2@securedoffice.biz with the following information in the body of the message:
Name
JPD Forum Account Name/Number
The amount of principle you had in JPD as of 2/17/07
Preferred contact email address
We will not be answering questions at this time. Right now, we are only trying to determine if there are enough parties interested in this plan.
You do not need to respond if you are not interested in participating or if you are simply interested in participating in the pool. If we find there is sufficient interest to proceed, we will announce details of how to join the pool later.
Thank you,
SECOFF
(speaking for the Independent Recovery Team)
Sounds like a hostile takeover by the biggest shareholders, or biggest hitmen, take your pick. Obviously some people carrying virtual bats are going to run the program, Richard is just going to be the player. Could also be some of his scammer friends are the biggest investors and didn't know they were being scammed. Guess they didn't like that one bit either. To the extent that honest people lost their money based on his lies, so goes life in this arena. But when the scammers get scammed, watch the action unfold.
I'm liking this karma.
Posted by: HighYield
Off topic again - but does anybody know if Richard (JP Daily) ever paid back the people he scammed from his program before JPD? What was the name of that program - it escapes me - right now?!
BTW - great thread nunulka except I agree with golddust
...it should have been titled something like 'What's the Biggest Mistake You Made Playing the Hyip Game"? Let's face it that's what we're doing - playing a game!Quote:
...believing it is "investing".
You WIN some - You LOSE some!
Mine! Like most - either getting in a little to late! U-Pie! OR re-deposting - even though you know you probably shouldn't!![]()
Oh Well! ...The beat goes on!![]()
Posted by: golddust
HighYield,
regarding JPD question/status - go here: http://www.web-life.org/vb/showthread.php?t=9793
Posted by: nunulka
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Originally Posted by HighYield
BTW - great thread nunulka except I agree with golddust
...it should have been titled something like 'What's the Biggest Mistake You Made Playing the Hyip Game"? Let's face it that's what we're doing - playing a game!
I agree with you.
Also, instead of placing a button "Invest here", Hyip admins should place "Play here" on their hyip sites.
Posted by: golddust
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Originally Posted by nunulkaI agree with you.
Also, instead of placing a button "Invest here", Hyip admins should place "Play here" on their hyip sites.
Or, "risk it here"...http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/sml/cwm31.gif
Posted by: dawsion
a sucker is born everyday
Posted by: primeXred
Back in the day of Stock Generation, Life Club, etc...I made about $200k in those programs and sent most of it back among them and others. Needless to say it didn't go well
But hey, if it wasn't for my past losses, I wouldn't have learned enough to be able to make money nowadays...at least that's what I tell myself. LOL
Posted by: golddust
Welcome to Web-Life primeXred. We look forward to your 'sage advice'.
Posted by: primeXred
Thanks!
-Red
Posted by: Pete Berg
My biggest mistake is also my bioggest lost in the business last year,because i invested my money in HYIP programs.
Posted by: golddust
Are you back for another try?
Posted by: awty
"What´s the biggest mistake you made in investing?
I'll take that as a question regarding the hyip arena, which, for many reasons, is not actual 'investing'.
My biggest mistake was accepting the offer to be a moderator on the star-game/nova-lights forum.
Jeff
Posted by: golddust
Hey there Awty. Nice to have you visit. Still not able to overcome the "guilt by association" with the William Louden gang? Man, don't even bring it up; most people have no idea what you are talking about. The years fly don't they?
Posted by: clifton
Hey Jeff, so nice to see you here. Nova Lights, that sounds as an ancient history already
Posted by: forwardone
I got in there just before they went down. Fortunately my losses were limited to a `test` of around $10 though.
Posted by: awty
I lost 12k 'on paper', so to speak. But, it's not all negative. It's one of the things that led me into forex, where in the last 4 years, I've turned $4k into over $20k.
(Of course, in the same time, I've turned a demo account from $100k to $4.2M, but - hey, that's just a demo...)
Hope all is going well,
Jeff
Posted by: nunulka
I wish you to turn $100k to $4.2M in reality (not only demo)![]()
Posted by: hyipcoder
The biggest mistake was investing with SI not on timing...aside from that one..all succeed.
Posted by: bsymons
I been paid in hyip!
Posted by: forwardone
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Originally Posted by bsymonsI been paid in hyip!
Incorrect to post in this thread. Please don`t go off topic, find a thread which is for the posting of `Paids` as this one is for the discussion of mistakes with HYIPs and other `investments.`
Here`s one which is better suited-
http://www.web-life.org/vb/showthread.php?t=12585