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Posted by: cl8ton

The Golden Fox Opportunity

I have just set up a program that is NOT an INVESTMENT program and will pay 10% per week for 20 weeks.

You will just have to read it to understand.

I use e-gold as the spend to e-currency.

The gross amount that I return is 200% over 20 weeks or about 5 months. That's about 500% per annum. And, an astute person can even make it come out to more than that if they do some money management and give it some thought.

Yes, it's rather high, but when one is dealing in very small amounts, it doesn't get out of hand, and I have placed some restrictions to keep it from getting higher than the funding account will allow.

Give me your thought when you fill-out the join request form and I'll revise the program and fine tune it to your liking. I do not yet have a link to the program at my homepage, so use the link above to access the site.

When reviewing the program, keep the game of "hot potato" in mind.
__________________

Clayton L. Parker
www.thesamgroup.net

Posted by: golddust

Have looked the program over and note there is no mention of the way 'returns' are generated except for the "tithing". While I understand and sense a "pay it forward" concept here, it would be worthwhile to further explain this as appropriate for clarity.
In addition Cl8ton, IMO potential members will have more character reference by association with the BI-2 refunding effort, A link on your programs page would be helpful in this regard.

Posted by: cl8ton

Quote:

Originally Posted by golddust

Have looked the program over and note there is no mention of the way 'returns' are generated except for the "tithing". While I understand and sense a "pay it forward" concept here, it would be worthwhile to further explain this as appropriate for clarity.
In addition Cl8ton, IMO potential members will have more character reference by association with the BI-2 refunding effort, A link on your programs page would be helpful in this regard.

Hi Golddust,

First, the "returns" are not "returns" as it relates to an investment. I am simply sending you FUNDS during the last 10 weeks of the 20 week term out of the trust funds. Just like you did when you dug unto your piggy bank to send them in the first place. I know this is not easily understood, but where the "over payment" comes in is in the 2nd join request. That is where you are sending MY FUNDS BACK CLAIMING THEY ARE YOUR FUNDS! Can you see that point, as it is the KEY to the whole concept of it being a non-investment opportunity. You'll have to give it some thought as it's not very visible at first glance.

Second, the BI-II folks will start receiving some funds after the 28th. I post updates at my homepage if you like to keep up with it.

The Golden Fox opportunity is actually a watered down version of my gold coin program. That too is not easy to recognize at first glance either. If you look closely, the 2nd term that you send funds back to me claiming they are your are actually mine and I then over pay by 200% that round. Again, you will have to look at it closer to see what I'm doing and how you come out ahead every time you make a request to join AFTER the first time.

The RISK is only during the first 10 weeks. After that, you are using MY money to re-join claiming the funds are yours. That is how I do the over payment aspect of the opportunity.

After a week or two, there will be more folks that have been sent fund from me and I think folks will see that I'm actually trying to find a way to disburse funds out of the trust, and allowing those who BELIEVE to be the recipient of those funds. I'm not here to cheat anyone, I'm really trying to find folks to GIVE MONEY away to that are wanting to help themselves in some way.

Yep! It's hard to believe, but true.

Clayton

Posted by: golddust

I 'get it', but intend for others to understand also. Now, what are you plans regarding the use of e-gold?

Posted by: MikeCO2

cl8ton,

I stopped using e-gold about 2 years ago... when they started having problems.

Is there any chance you might consider usuin "Solid Trust Pay" as an option for the Golden Fox Opportunity?

MikeCO2

Posted by: MikeCO2

GoldDust,

I sent you a PM earlier... did you get it?

MikeCO2

Posted by: golddust

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeCO2

GoldDust,

I sent you a PM earlier... did you get it?

MikeCO2

Yes and just sent you a pm.

Posted by: MikeCO2

Thanks GoldDust.

MikeCO2

Posted by: forwardone

It seems a number of programs are now turning to Liberty Reserve for payments.

Posted by: golddust

LR has had many problems with DDOS and 'down' time to the frustration of members and admins. Programs have added other currencies. Solid Trust Pay seems to be gaining a good footing.

Posted by: cl8ton

I've chosen Solid Trust Pay as the "churning" account to use. They will soon offer a debit card as well. I have a debit card that I'm going to use outside an e-currency provider so we can have a back-up! And, I pay for it for you, or at least send you the funds so you can purchase it. I don't want my plan to have any out of pocket cost to anyone, and I'm TRYING to get folks funds so they can join with NO out of pocket cost what-so-ever. "Trying" anyway!

Posted by: golddust

New program information here:
http://www.web-life.org/vb/showthre...63241#post63241

Posted by: golddust

I understand from what cl8ton posted on another forum, that he has given funds to his paymaster for BI payouts, and for some payouts to TGF members. Apparently he will be traveling the next week or so.

Posted by: forwardone

Hopefully then it won`t be long before we see yet more members posting to say they`ve been paid, which`ll be great news.

Posted by: golddust

Anyone join? Get paid?

Posted by: UncleClayton

Greetings;

A phone number will be given for BI-II members to call and receive their funds IF they were passed over for some reason.

The phone number will be the Kentucky Consulate for Australia. You will talk directly to the Diplomat at the Consulate. You may call after the 10th of July 2010. Until then, the Diplomat will not be there, and no one else will be available. An 800 number will be available to call. It will be posted here as soon as it is made available.

A bank check will be issued immediately once a screen shot of the deposits are received from your transfer account.

UC

Posted by: UncleClayton

Quote:

Originally Posted by forwardone

Hopefully then it won`t be long before we see yet more members posting to say they`ve been paid, which`ll be great news.

Many members of BI-II were not hyipers, and knew nothing about these type forums. They are all good folks, and do not deserve the bashing that forum members dish out.

An 800# will shortly be posted once it is passed on to me for anyone to call. And, if I remember correctly, you have not received your full funds, so call when the number is posted.

FYI, any program in the past that failed, the member can call and request a refund. The Diplomat will then evaluate your request and send you a bank cheque. You will have to talk to him directly, as no one at the Consulate will know anything about it.

I will keep this thread updated. 6/26/10

UC

Posted by: golddust

Quote:

Originally Posted by UncleClayton

As you may remember "UC", I was one of many owed a BI-2 refund, but in an effort to critically define how this refund process was to work, you flat out told me I would "not get a refund".

WELL, I am one of the "good folks", and I didn't deserve the "bashing" that you dished out!

But moving on for the edification of others; now it's simplified down to calling a "800" #?
"A bank check will be issued immediately once a screen shot of the deposits are received from your transfer account..." So apparently there is NO ACTUAL RECORD of who is eligible for a refund? Just show your investment and you'll be refunded?
Right...

Posted by: golddust

Quote:

Originally Posted by UncleClayton

Greetings;

A phone number will be given for BI-II members to call and receive their funds IF they were passed over for some reason.

The phone number will be the Kentucky Consulate for Australia. You will talk directly to the Diplomat at the Consulate. You may call after the 10th of July 2010. Until then, the Diplomat will not be there, and no one else will be available. An 800 number will be available to call. It will be posted here as soon as it is made available.

A bank check will be issued immediately once a screen shot of the deposits are received from your transfer account.

UC

..."the Kentucky Consulate for Australia??

Posted by: UncleClayton

That's correct, the Kentucky Consulate. I'll setup a link to show pictures of the property for the Doubting Thomas', and Deliah's. A screenshot of the account that will hold the funds showing that actual funds ARE available, and no new money is needed. Also, a few may request to be invited to the property to see it first hand ... all expenses paid.

Everyone will be paid, including you. It will be just a short time before the final arrangements are finalized. I did not reopen this thread to drag anything on and on, and hopefully a few past folks that need a refund from ANYOTHER SCAM, regardless of which one it was, will also be refunded along with the BI & BI-II folks. It will only be limited by the amount of funds alloted by the Principal for this project, which as of this date 6/30/10 is $1M, and the BI folks were only due around $67K. I have been directed to pass out the full amount of funds, and my problem is TO WHOM it should be given once those that are due their share get paid first.

Buckwheat is the reason that the Consulate was chosen to be used to disburse the funds after MY inquisition by the SEC back on April 18, 2007, which by the way did not produce any action on their part. The consulate provides protection from his/their tentacles. The Diplomatic position is inviolable, and can not be questioned, as the consulate will be on foreign soil per sey. And, permission to run my structure from that location has been approved all the way up. Other plans fail and quit/run, I plan on NEVER quitting, and making UC the best of the best and known in the hyip community.

Just accept the structure as it is proven to be to you at some future date, and make your claim. You will be able to speak directly to someone who cares in this regard at the consulate. The process will be simplified to get your funds back in your hands. I would like to see it done by overnight Fedex by check.

I will keep the thread open til the end. If it's OK at a future time, I would like to start another thread under UncleClayton and not continue with the Sam Group thread, as there is another Sam Group if you google it.

As I have been informed, this should all come about around the week of July 11, 2010. That's all I know right now. But, I expect to know, and have another update right after the 5th.

Kindly Stand-By!

UC

Posted by: golddust

Quote:

Originally Posted by UncleClayton

That's correct, the Kentucky Consulate. I'll setup a link to show pictures of the property for the Doubting Thomas', and Deliah's. A screenshot of the account that will hold the funds showing that actual funds ARE available, and no new money is needed. Also, a few may request to be invited to the property to see it first hand ... all expenses paid.

Everyone will be paid, including you. It will be just a short time before the final arrangements are finalized. I did not reopen this thread to drag anything on and on, and hopefully a few past folks that need a refund from ANYOTHER SCAM, regardless of which one it was, will also be refunded along with the BI & BI-II folks...

Seeing a "picture" doesn't change my reason to doubt. By what 'legal' or 'political' authority is the "Consulate" recognized? What is the criteria for selecting others to visit the property?
What is the reason for passing out funds to people who've been scammed by programs other than BI?
Do you have any idea how many people with losses are represented? What are the 'rules' for that slice of the pie?
After all this time, do you really think anyone believes anything you say? A lot of people were very excited to hear about a BI-2 refund... what 3 years ago? Except for forwardone, no one else has been refunded by you, to my knowledge.
No action by the SEC? Really no surprise; did you make a back door agreement with the gov't to report all those you refund to the IRS or similar entities in other countries?
Geesh....

Posted by: jojomataketa

Quote:

Originally Posted by UncleClayton

That's correct, the Kentucky Consulate. I'll setup a link to show pictures of the property for the Doubting Thomas', and Deliah's.

Where IS the picture? Doubting Deliah!

A screenshot of the account that will hold the funds showing that actual funds ARE available, and no new money is needed.

Where IS the screenshot?

Also, a few may request to be invited to the property to see it first hand ... all expenses paid.

All expenses paid? WOW! Serve Caviar for breakfast?

Everyone will be paid, including you.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

It will be just a short time before the final arrangements are finalized.

Finalized yet?

I did not reopen this thread to drag anything on and on, and hopefully a few past folks that need a refund from ANYOTHER SCAM, regardless of which one it was, will also be refunded along with the BI & BI-II folks. It will only be limited by the amount of funds alloted by the Principal for this project, which as of this date 6/30/10 is $1M, and the BI folks were only due around $67K. I have been directed to pass out the full amount of funds, and my problem is TO WHOM it should be given once those that are due their share get paid first.

Okey, dokey!

Buckwheatis the reason that the Consulate was chosen to be used to disburse the funds after MY inquisition by the SEC back on April 18, 2007, which by the way did not produce any action on their part.

Buckwheat, no less!

The consulate provides protection from his/their tentacles. The Diplomatic position is inviolable, and can not be questioned, as the consulate will be on foreign soil per sey. And, permission to run my structure from that location has been approved all the way up. Other plans fail and quit/run, I plan on NEVER quitting, and making UC the best of the best and known in the hyip community.

Per sey?....All the way up?...I get it, I think!

Just accept the structure as it is proven to be to you at some future date, and make your claim. You will be able to speak directly to someone who cares in this regard at the consulate. The process will be simplified to get your funds back in your hands. I would like to see it done by overnight Fedex by check.

How exciting!

I will keep the thread open til the end. If it's OK at a future time, I would like to start another thread under UncleClayton and not continue with the Sam Group thread, as there is another Sam Group if you google it.

Bloody google, Spoiling it for you!

As I have been informed, this should all come about around the week of July 11, 2010.

16th July 2010 today. So, what happened on July 11, 2010?

That's all I know right now. But, I expect to know, and have another update right after the 5th.

Kindly Stand-By!

Been standing-by! ..........Can I sit now?

UC

Posted by: golddust

??? Who's remarks are those in blue??

Posted by: jojomataketa

Quote:

Originally Posted by golddust

??? Who's remarks are those in blue??

Mine.

Posted by: golddust

Thanks for the clarification.
It would be good of UC to maintain this thread, but it's not a surprise that it now seems he is being un-responsive.