Our Opinion of an Ideal HYIP

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Our Opinion of an Ideal HYIP
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Posted by: edward

This is an article I wrote for HYIPMailer.com:

II - OUR OPINION OF AN IDEAL HYIP

The problem with most HYIPs is the fact that they are very shady. Members can not see where their money is being invested, or if it is being invested at all. In order to have a truely transparent and failproof HYIP one needs to make all info readily available to investors. Below is an example of what our ideal HYIP would look like. Just so you know we are never going to run an HYIP, we are just using the below ourline as an example. Maybe a few respected individuals could use this as an outline to thier next program:

Funds are invested in forex market. The # of investors are limited to maybe 50 or less. Minimum deposit should be about $1000. The admin of this program sets up a managed forex account in which they do the trading or have a reputable forex trader or group do the trading for them. They now allow all investors, big and small, to have access to the managed account. (Investors can view trades and withdrawls, etc, but can not touch the funds). This will allow investors to track how their investment is doing while also giving them confidence that the admin is not cheating them. This is complete transparency. Investors should be able to withdrawl their share of earnings and principle anytime after a fixed holding period of a few months. If a few programs like this could be set up, the HYIP arena would become much more profitable and secure. Sure the payouts may not be $5 per day, and probably not even 5% per week, but the security for both the investors and admin would be much much greater. Investors are able to see their funds work for them, while the admin does not have to worry about failed trades, as the investors can easily see the truth behind it all.

Edward

Posted by: vandit

That sounds good. But there also needs to be more then one trusted admin that has access to the managed account and requires all admins to sign off whenever a withdrawal is requested. The trust needs to be spread out and not centralized on one person.

Also, ALL ADMINS MUST PROVIDE COMPLETE CONTACT DETAILS

IE. PHONE NUMBER, ADDRESS, PASSPORT, ETC.

If the admin is honest and true and wants to build a reputable program, then they should not have a problem providing this info

I won't invest in any new HYIP unless this info is provided and the above requirements are met.

Posted by: xtraders

Personally, I dont think all those DD is necessary. Results are more important than information about the admin's home place etc. IF you are a big investor and have the money to fly to someone that lives far away from your home country, then, and only then, DD has a function, but still: how to get your funds back. If they dont give it: are you going to knock them down?!

For the more regular investors that have some money to invest, but not lots of them and those who cant pay for a fly to someone far away, DD means nothing, really.

Edward, your idea about the ideal hyip is nice, but I dont think it will come too soon (or never

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Posted by: awty

Some excellent ideas, yes, and I, for one, would love to see it.
However, I do have my doubts as to the practicality. If involving many who understand the risks, and are actually willing to consider those risks, and to not expect a problem-free situation, it would seem possible. As to whether it happens or not, I don't know.

Myself, I'm heading off on my own, having experienced too many influences by others on various ventures.

Just my opinion,
Jeff

Posted by: fsamec

Quote:

Originally Posted by vandit

That sounds good. But there also needs to be more then one trusted admin that has access to the managed account and requires all admins to sign off whenever a withdrawal is requested. The trust needs to be spread out and not centralized on one person.

Also, ALL ADMINS MUST PROVIDE COMPLETE CONTACT DETAILS

IE. PHONE NUMBER, ADDRESS, PASSPORT, ETC.

If the admin is honest and true and wants to build a reputable program, then they should not have a problem providing this info

I won't invest in any new HYIP unless this info is provided and the above requirements are met.

I haven't found an admin yet that was willing to give out all that information. William Louden was the closest and that didn't help.

Posted by: Integrated Investor

Isn't this already being done? I've come across several managed-account HYIPs. Yourfx.com is one. And I think EOMplus.com is another (for stocks).

I think the only way you can lose your money is if the trader does bad trades. But at least you know that your money can never be stolen.

Does anyone know any other traders/HYIPS that offer managed accounts? Do you need to provide any personal information? It would be great if both parties can remain anonymous (trader and investor).

Posted by: d2

How about giving people the public links to their traders' bullpig accounts? Those at least can't be faked, and would show what the traders were doing - check it out at www.bullpig.co.uk I am surprised nobody's doing this with HYIP (or if they are I've not heard of it).

Deej

Posted by: Integrated Investor

That's the most awesome idea ever. First time I seen that site. That's guaranteed proof that trading is really done. Or betting.

Posted by: xtraders

Only betting and I have seen it before several times, most gamblers cannot win a lot as you can see...it has more to do with normal stocks: take some good ones and get out after profit.

Posted by: memorex

Quote:

Originally Posted by Integrated Investor

Isn't this already being done? I've come across several managed-account HYIPs. Yourfx.com is one. And I think EOMplus.com is another (for stocks).

I think the only way you can lose your money is if the trader does bad trades. But at least you know that your money can never be stolen.

Does anyone know any other traders/HYIPS that offer managed accounts? Do you need to provide any personal information? It would be great if both parties can remain anonymous (trader and investor).

I dont think these are a prime examples,whether in trust or capabilities.

As the YourFx let a lot of people down on their pool last year and there has been no repayment to date so far.

So I wouldnt put them in position of trust as far as I am concerned.

And as for EOM Plus I havent heard all that much from this either the last I heard they were not doing too great.

Whether the story has changed I think that this will come from the actual investors but nothing new to date so far.

As for a trader I think you need to find a good quality firm that has background experience and history records.

So at the least you know they are capable of making the grade.

Whether or not they do, with your money, is a different kettle of fish, as it is all on the market trend and world events .

regards
memorex

Posted by: dtison

They do exist... they do
I am amazed that this forum does not know about it...that it wasn't even listed in the top 10 investment pole being taken here..... is unbelievable
None of what I have seen here even comes close to what this comapny is. CPU seems ok...sorta, kinda. I'd put 50-100 bucks there.

This is the only substantial fully liscensed completely transparent investmant vehicle I know of, they have an office..hold conventions. The Ceo is known by his real name, Bryan Marsden, as are all employess you can talk to some one anytime during business hours there is a full support staff manning the phones. You can go to the office,many have as they just had a convention there and all that went got the office tour and met with all the great people we usually only knew by name in the forums.
Their investments are there for all to see, there is a very active forum,(10000 members), you can add your 2 cents worth anytime. There are investemnt brokers( this is where they keep their money), bankers, farmers, house wifes... and people from just about every walk of life...and you'll get to know most by name and even meet them at the conventions
They have been in business for three years and yes you'll meet all the old timers on the forum..
Success stories are boundless, one person on the verge of going bankrupt beg, borrowed and stole 20,000 and now is clearing over 1000 per day!! This is NOT recommended....but is true
The conventions seem to be a big hit...there's one in Oct in Las Vegas( mini convention) and the big annual one next Feb in Hawaii..
It is high risk make no mistake about it, but with complete tranparency and honesty..T
There is alot more I could say, how the returns are created, why it's relatively safe, etc , etc...but you should check it out yourself's....

they are at
www.pureinvestor.com

If mention that user dtison reffered you I'll get 10 bucks a month O

Another great one is YMMSS...completely transparent again...and a great way to get money to put in Pure Investor

http://www.ymmss.net/intgold.php?id=88120

Posted by: Kindo

Quote:

Originally Posted by hphyips admin

This is an article I wrote for HYIPMailer.com:

II - OUR OPINION OF AN IDEAL HYIP

The problem with most HYIPs is the fact that they are very shady. Members can not see where their money is being invested, or if it is being invested at all. In order to have a truely transparent and failproof HYIP one needs to make all info readily available to investors. Below is an example of what our ideal HYIP would look like. Just so you know we are never going to run an HYIP, we are just using the below ourline as an example. Maybe a few respected individuals could use this as an outline to thier next program:

Funds are invested in forex market. The # of investors are limited to maybe 50 or less. Minimum deposit should be about $1000. The admin of this program sets up a managed forex account in which they do the trading or have a reputable forex trader or group do the trading for them. They now allow all investors, big and small, to have access to the managed account. (Investors can view trades and withdrawls, etc, but can not touch the funds). This will allow investors to track how their investment is doing while also giving them confidence that the admin is not cheating them. This is complete transparency. Investors should be able to withdrawl their share of earnings and principle anytime after a fixed holding period of a few months. If a few programs like this could be set up, the HYIP arena would become much more profitable and secure. Sure the payouts may not be $5 per day, and probably not even 5% per week, but the security for both the investors and admin would be much much greater. Investors are able to see their funds work for them, while the admin does not have to worry about failed trades, as the investors can easily see the truth behind it all.

Edward

Right, i agree about forex market trading! The best way to change current HYIP situation! =D>

Hope to see more discussion in such ways...
We hope to get more info in this field which helps to make it possible soon!

O

Posted by: kumantjai

#-o My opinion of HYIP are in fact not investment opportunities, but are simply GAMES! A Huge percentage of HYIP's come from new members joining and investing. PONZI? They may run for months to a couple of years and then the money goes and the feds are called in and then nothing, nought but blame and inuendo. This is uaually covered by a disclaimer when you join the programme. BUT!! these SCUM who scam innocent people in the wake of a programme that has failed, are truly dishonest SCUM and not worth the salt of the earth! These people create so called HYIP's after a long running HYIP has fallen, taking advantage of the situation, they will run a programme that looks REALLY enticing for those who have lost money and these scammers will DISSAPPEAR just like www.goldgate.org period! My second thought is that I believe the U.S. Secret Service have been monitoring the HYIP's for possible terrorist cells, because mainly of these SCAMMERS. It won't be long that these programs may have to be scrutinised thoroughly by other interested agencies. Anyway have a nice day Y'all. Kumantjai. 8-[

Posted by: Integrated Investor

Just because you got scammed by gold gate doesn't mean you have to call all HYIPs a scam, kumantjai. It was offering 2% a day. What did you think it was? A real investment?

Posted by: dtison

Boy are you guys oblivous............

Posted by: golddust

There are some 1-2%/day paying programs that are doing OK right now, though I don't think that any can be trusted for large sums or for long term. Still recoup your investment, and put profits into other more trusted programs.
As for Pure Investor, I steered clear even though a member a while back because I heard many negatives about the admin of the program, and reports of members not getting paid (or cheated), and the terms changing without notification to members. As dtison indicated, "it is high risk". . . with transparency. Does transparency make the program honest? Or is the admin just letting members see what they need to see?

I think it would be very worthwhile for more information and discussion on the program.

golddust