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Posted by: memorex

I would like to just remember the HYIP fraternity of one thing, that is that it is impossible to expect these high returns, on a regular basis from Freeland Opps .
As much as it is working and everything is rosy at this moment in time and we all think, that it is a great and wonderful deal, dont expect too much and you wont be disappointed .
The volatility, of this market is such, that it will always bring you back to earth, quicker than you have risen.
I am not saying that FLO, is going to fall . All I am saying and stressing is that if you have not got your initial capital back. You are in a treachorous situation at this time .
No one apart from the Administration, can tell you how long, this will last and I, like every one else, wish it well and that it will last forever, but I live in the real world and I know that is impossible.

regards
gwins


Posted by: forwardone

Agreed, the key is to get your capital back ASAP.

From then on you should, if you play it carefully, be in profit (as I am easily with this program.)

Compounding? Not for me! Get my money out, within reason, as often as possible. That`s real money, not what`s shown up on a website, as seen with the FF experience.

Geoff


Posted by: curly

Very sensible advice =D>

I put into the 2 week program, 2 weeks ago tomorrow so could be posting PAID soon.

Planning to withdraw my initial investment as soon as I can make enough to do so, and then play with the profits!

As always, golden rule is to never put in what you can't afford to lose.

Curly


Posted by: betrdanevr

Quote:
Agreed, the key is to get your capital back ASAP.


Gwins, Geoff and Curly, I heartily agree with you all, as that is the rule of all hyips.

FLO strikes me as much different, though. My "crystal ball" says it'll be around for quite some time.

That being said, I did get my capital back ASAP and I'm riding on their money.

FLO claims they don't need new spends or new members. They also say this is a new opportunity born of investments not offered on the net before. Now, can we check that out? Huh-uh. But the proof is in the pudding, and only time will tell.

There are lots of people who have lots of money cycling in FLO. I can't imagine how much cash FLO admin have put into the sites and the technical aspects of the program.

I just can't imagine this being a 6-month deal!!!

(Nor . . . do I WANT to imagine it, in truth. :-# )

Good luck to FLO and all that are in it!!!

Terri


Posted by: forwardone

There`s some talk in certain quarters about non-payments by FLO.

Yet, their forum shows that of the relatively few who are posting non-payments, the vast majority aren`t fully aware of how the 48 hour rule works, or other security measures.

I also find it strange that `complainers` post non-payments in other forums, yet not in the one that matters, FLO`S. :-k

Perhaps the word "motive" comes into play. :-#


Geoff


Posted by: betrdanevr

Quote:
Originally Posted by forwardone
There`s some talk in certain quarters about non-payments by FLO.

Yet, their forum shows that of the relatively few who are posting non-payments, the vast majority aren`t fully aware of how the 48 hour rule works, or other security measures.

I also find it strange that `complainers` post non-payments in other forums, yet not in the one that matters, FLO`S. :-k

Perhaps the word "motive" comes into play. :-#


Geoff


There ya go: "the vast majority aren't fully aware of how the 48 hour rule works, or other security measures."

How many times is that the reason for negative posts in this arena??

Thanks, Geoff.

Terri


Posted by: memorex

I will say it as I am not afraid to say it FLO in my estimation is a Ponzi there is no Investment that pays 90% per month if you think it is possible to collect by investing even the sum below:
Now I wonder how they can do that ? let me think! I know its that money tree at the bottom of the garden
Come on people wake up and smell the coffee geesus I am telling you that I personally dont think it is possible and I am sure I wont be alone in this .
It is simple economics what investment can give you 40204.29% net profit on this paltry sum in a year .

Investors arent making this with hundreds of thousands of $ invested.
But you can all believe it and when the house of cards comes tumbling down you will here the cries from thousands of $ miles away.
The privatisation I shall be very interested in as well with lower incomes bearers investing $1000.00 till qualification and the higher incomes leaving $25,000.00 or scoff $200 k in for a year .
And as for voicing opinions on the FLO forum people have done this to their own detriment by being booted off and this is catologued in the talk gold forum.
When they challenged the authenticity of their program and profits there is no freedom of speech in there they said.
I presume that is why they dont voice their opinion in there, in fear of maybe. I dont know there small investment they have may be at risk and they cant afford to lose it like some who have or seem to have money to burn.

regards
gwins


Posted by: forwardone

I think one of us is missing the point here, gwins.

Whether FLO is or isn`t a Ponzi isn`t the issue at this time. The original post was pertaining to the apparent complaints of some that they hadn`t been paid.

You say, quote:

"And as for voicing opinions on the FLO forum people have done this to their own detriment by being booted off and this is catologued in the talk gold forum.
When they challenged the authenticity of their program and profits there is no freedom of speech in there they said.
I presume that is why they dont voice their opinion in there, in fear of maybe. I dont know there small investment they have may be at risk and they cant afford to lose it like some who have or seem to have money to burn."

As far as I`m aware the only people to get booted out by FLO have been members in Chat who became abusive, and after repeated warnings, were asked to leave. I don`t see any problem with that.

I personally don`t see the point in joining any program, then going in with all guns blazing trying to rip it to shreds. If I have doubts, I simply use my common sense and stay out. Isn`t that what you`d do?

As far as comments made in the TG forum are concerned, I`m sorry but anyone who knows some of the `types` of people who post there can`t really take that seriously. TG sadly has more than it`s fair share of those who openly admit to being anti-(any)HYIP. So much of what`s said I take with a pinch of salt. :---)

If I hadn`t received a withdrawal, after making sure I was allowing sufficient time for the outexchange etc, then I wouldn`t hesitate to post in their forum. Maybe then and only then, if I didn`t get satisfactory answers, would I start complaining elsewhere. As I said earlier when I checked the forum many of the problems occured because of a lack of understanding of how the system works. But at least the Mods are ever present to provide the required help.

Geoff


Posted by: memorex

I am not missing any point and I am not bothered what you care to think about FLO.
It is a PONZI plain and simple and I am not beating around the bush like some I know.
It doesnt matter whether the punters are or are not getting paid its you that is missing the point.
The point is that it is a dangerous time coming to fruition for FLO whether you or any one likes to hear it or not.
What I say and express vehemently about this particular program is a warning plain and simple.
That should be taken seriously but whether or not you wish to heed it is your perogative .
I am interested only in the welfare of punters in the HYIP arena and have been for over 7 years now .
And as far as I am concerned no program can make those rates and that is what I am warning people about so if you dont like what I post dont read it .
You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink.

regards
gwins


Posted by: forwardone

Quote:
Originally Posted by forwardone
There`s some talk in certain quarters about non-payments by FLO.

Yet, their forum shows that of the relatively few who are posting non-payments, the vast majority aren`t fully aware of how the 48 hour rule works, or other security measures.

I also find it strange that `complainers` post non-payments in other forums, yet not in the one that matters, FLO`S. :-k

Perhaps the word "motive" comes into play. :-#


Geoff


You are beginning to sound like you are a man with a mission on this one.

Re-read my post please, then tell me where I was stating that FLO isn`t a Ponzi! I repeat, the post was about complainers who said they hadn`t been paid, so why have you then sidetracked and started an attack on FLO which has nothing to do with the topic? ](*,)

And, for heaven`s sake, if you really do believe FLO is a Ponzi, then you may as well post a few hundred others while you are at it. That`s because in all likelyhood 99% of HYIP`s are, which I would have thought you would have learnt over the past 7 years of looking out for other`s interests.

Geoff


Posted by: memorex

I have only one mission to make sure that people are not duped by hype and that is my mission .
As for reporting a lot of others I do regularly every week or so on my other forum that I write for.
Which I have learned very well and have looked after other peoples interest over that 7 year period
I am not missing any point you are just trying to make your point on FLO and I am making mine as well and this is where we differ .
And as I said I am only passing a warning to the community but you seem to think I am taking it out on your post.
Which has no relevance to me or what I am talking about at all in this mission as you call it .
I can answer you all day and all night if you like but there is one thing I wont do is change my attitude to any or all of the hyip programs in this arena.
They are either Scams.Ponzi's,or amateur traders using other peoples money to enhance their trading skills without losing their own and they invariable always lose the punters money eventually.
And that is what my experience has found out in those trying years whether you care to listen or not that is not my concern.

regards
gwins


Posted by: forwardone

gwins, without wishing to perpetuate the discussion, I just find this part of your post in contradiction to the fact that you appear to be a member of another program, which is far more dubious, offering monthly rates of 40% plus, ie Foreign Fund. :-k



"I can answer you all day and all night if you like but there is one thing I wont do is change my attitude to any or all of the hyip programs in this arena.
They are either Scams.Ponzi's,or amateur traders using other peoples money to enhance their trading skills without losing their own and they invariable always lose the punters money eventually.
And that is what my experience has found out in those trying years whether you care to listen or not that is not my concern."


regards
gwins


The words, "Physician, heal thyself" springs to mind.

I don`t object in the least to the fact that you have a strong opinion on the merits of FLO. What I don`t appreciate is that you hijacked a post on another argument and turned it around so you could fire off yet another shot at FLO!

For the last time. I do not KNOW whether FLO is, or isn`t a Ponzi. I certainly don`t KNOW by looking in from the outside which programs are or aren`t Ponzis. I do, however, believe that there are some, admittedly very few, programs that are genuinely trading.

But, what I will do is suggest that a program looks like a scam, or ponzi, because of certain telltale signs. What I do not do, unlike yourself and some others, is categorically state, without proof, that a running program IS a Ponzi. That`s because my experience in life has taught me always to be as sure of my facts as possible before making accusations.

Geoff


Posted by: memorex

There is no strong opinion here that FLO is a Ponzi its a plain and simple fact.
You tell me where you can get 90% per month of any investment on a paltry sum of $25.00 geesus if you are that wrapped up in your own ideas that this is for real I suggest you are the one that needs the Physician not me lol )
And as for hijacking the folder geesus are you any relation to X we are not allowed to post in your domain or something do you have something more than anyone else here.
Get real let me let you into a little secret the reason I am here as a mod is because I like the way Phil doesnt use his forums like a prison where everything is moderated to extreme.
It is freedom of speech and if you cant hold with that you are in the wrong arena .
And if you ask Phil I am here because of my experience in the computer industry and experience in all program ventures as far back as chain letters in the the early 80's.
Long before the HYIP was online and was so secretive no none found out apart from word of mouth.
And no matter what you think what program I may be in you will never really know for sure because although I have invested in dubious programs there is an underlying reason for it .
And one of the main reasons I find out first if it is going down not after everyone else.
and you dont need a lot of money to do this but there is another factor I will tell you I havent lost money in the last 5 years I wonder how many others can say this.
And one other point where it is a scam I have no qualms about taking the money.
In actual fact I tell everyone to get in and out as quiickly as possible then play with the SCAMMERS money
regards
gwins


Posted by: forwardone

gwins, your obsession with attacking this program is illustrated by the fact that this thread which you started had to be split, I assume by Phil, due to the fact that you put your original post under `Paid.` Paid means paid, not a place to criticize the program. And that`s the SAME with ANY forum, as I`m sure a person with your vast experience knows.

As for your comment that I don`t really know that you are in FF, then have a look back at your post made earlier today, under the Foreign Fund thread.

QUOTE:-

The message on the withdrawal page has been the same for quite a while now there is also emails bouncing which means there mail box is full and there is no one listening at the other end this is a test I done today:
This is becoming more and more like Atlantic Invest with a virtual account of thousands in the bank but you cannot get near it )


On 06/08/2004 5:08:51 you requested withdrawal number #5xxx1 for $50 failed.

Possible reasons:

-payment server flooded
-can't connect with e-gold server
-your e-gold account has balance limit imposed
-another withdrawal request is being processed at the moment

We apologize for the error concerning your withdrawal and any
inconvenience it caused you. Proper measures will be taken to
alleviate such a problem from occurring in the future.

We value your relationship to us and appreciate your loyalty to the
FF Bank. If we can be of any further assistance to you please do not
hesitate to e-mail: support@ff-bank.net

Truly Yours,
FF Team




regards

gwins

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Do you really want this `freer` forum to become like some, such as TG, where posts are used by others as an excuse to attack programs, without letup?

If so, perhaps you, not I, are in the wrong forum! I`ve seen enough dogooders who take it upon themselves to police the HYIP arena.

You say,
"You tell me where you can get 90% per month of any investment on a paltry sum of $25.00 geesus "

The figures run into hundreds of thousands, not just $25, which gives a greater potential for higher returns.

But, to be honest, I couldn`t particularly care less about the details.

All I want is for you to exercise more balance when posting in the forum, rather than using any and every post as an excuse to have a go at a program.

Remember, that you say," It is freedom of speech and if you cant hold with that you are in the wrong arena ." Have the courtesy to allow others `freedom of thought` so that they can, yes with some balanced advice, make up their own minds about a program.

Geoff


Posted by: admin

I should really move this one to the sports folder, as it has turned into a bit of a ping pong match

I moved the original thread away from the PAID thread about 1 month ago, as it had turned off topic

What we know:

All HYIPs are HIGH RISK - Only spend what you can afford to lose

99% are either scams or ponzis

There probably are some programs that do real trading etc. but as to which ones they are, who knows. Its very hard to find out, so the best thing to do is treat them all as a gamble or a game and very high risk. If they continue to pay thats great, if not, well what new, another one down the tubes

THREAD LOCKED as there is really no point carrying on with a ping pong match, I think that you have both made your point/s



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