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Posted by: Patryn

Now, who are you? 213.239.204.72

Posted by: admin

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Final results obtained from whois.ripe.net.
Results:
% This is the RIPE Whois server.
% The objects are in RPSL format.
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% Rights restricted by copyright.
% See http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/pub-ser.../copyright.html

inetnum: 213.239.192.0 - 213.239.207.255
netname: HETZNER-RZ-NBG-NET2
descr: Hetzner Online AG
descr: Datacenter Nuernberg
country: DE
admin-c: MH375-RIPE
tech-c: MH375-RIPE
status: ASSIGNED PA
mnt-by: HOS-GUN
mnt-lower: HOS-GUN
mnt-routes: HOS-GUN
notify: ripe-mntner@hetzner.de
changed: rb@hetzner.de 20030620
source: RIPE

route: 213.239.192.0/18
descr: HETZNER-RZ-NBG-BLK2
origin: AS24940
mnt-by: HOS-GUN
changed: rb@hetzner.de 20030528
source: RIPE

person: Martin Hetzner
address: Hetzner Online AG
address: Industriestr. 6
address: D-91710 Gunzenhausen
address: Germany
phone: +49 9831 610061
fax-no: +49 9831 610062
e-mail: info@hetzner.de
nic-hdl: MH375-RIPE
notify: account@hetzner.de
mnt-by: HOS-GUN
changed: hostmaster@hetzner.de 20001030
source: RIPE

Now who are you?

Posted by: forwardone

The same question was asked by the same person at TG, and this was the response.

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Search results for: 213.239.204.72

OrgName: RIPE Network Coordination Centre
OrgID: RIPE
Address: Singel 258
Address: 1016 AB
City: Amsterdam
StateProv:
PostalCode:
Country: NL

ReferralServer: whois://whois.ripe.net:43

NetRange: 213.0.0.0 - 213.255.255.255
CIDR: 213.0.0.0/8
NetName: RIPE-213
NetHandle: NET-213-0-0-0-1
Parent:
NetType: Allocated to RIPE NCC
NameServer: NS-PRI.RIPE.NET
NameServer: NS3.NIC.FR
NameServer: SUNIC.SUNET.SE
NameServer: AUTH00.NS.UU.NET
NameServer: SEC1.APNIC.NET
NameServer: SEC3.APNIC.NET
NameServer: TINNIE.ARIN.NET
Comment: These addresses have been further assigned to users in
Comment: the RIPE NCC region. Contact information can be found in
Comment: the RIPE database at http://www.ripe.net/whois
RegDate:
Updated: 2004-03-16

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2004-07-31 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.

When questioned about the reason for this enquiry, the poster `Patryn` was unable/unwilling to give one.

Geoff

Posted by: betrdanevr

Why do we even care???

Posted by: forwardone

`Cos there`s so little else to do at the moment? (Forumwise at any rate).

Geoff

Posted by: Laughing Dog

Aw, Shucks, Patty, what a scumbag to use a proxy so you can't trace him LOL

. I hope you're worried though. Maybe he/she has a really big gun and some lead with your name on - whatever your name is.

Posted by: betrdanevr

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Originally Posted by forwardone

`Cos there`s so little else to do at the moment? (Forumwise at any rate).

Geoff

Good come-back. LOL

I guess I what I was really driving at was more along the lines of Golddust's thoughts.

Yeah, there's not much going on, seems like, but I wonder sometimes if we're getting depressed with all the programs going down these days!!

Posted by: forwardone

I`ve just seen a post over at TG in which a quite well known member is offering 100K to the person who finds the elusive Patryn.

http://www.talkgold.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=16266

I also noticed elsewhere that Patryn has now received his refund from Sceptre, that`s cosy.

Geoff

Posted by: Laughing Dog

And so he should; Sceptre is just another of Patryn's little gang of crooks. He was never Scepre's partner, he was his boss. Can you imagine anyone as young and stupid as Sceptre coming up with S&S? That took a pile of gold just to set it up. Before starting S&S, Sceptre had $29 in his account.

LD

Posted by: Kiss

Quote:

Originally Posted by forwardone

I also noticed elsewhere that Patryn has now received his refund from Sceptre, that`s cosy.

Geoff

hmmmmm . . . didn't I read a post from Sceptre somewhere . . . saying that Patryn had stolen a whole bunch of S&S's money??? . . . or maybe "stolen" is the wrong word . . . I believe it was something that Patryn was running and he didn't pay out!!! . . . and this was one of the main reasons for S&S's early demise???

Why in the world would Sceptre now have paid him out??? . . . very strange!!!

Posted by: Kiss

Wellllll . . . I found that post from Sceptre . . . on TG . . . and here it is:

__________________________________________________ ____________

Dear members, I have decided to post everything which resulted in the closure of S&S Investments. Below is a breakdown of where funds have gone. My part of S&S investments was not a ponzi, I tried to make profits, but things didn't quite work out.

Losses
***********
$80,000 was lost on a private investment which I was offered in order to generate returns for S&S. The venture paid at the beginning which tricked me into investing larger amounts. This investment failed, because I was scammed. The person who had tricked me was Patryn.

$40,000 is being used/has been used for refunds

$30,000 was lost with controlled gambling and BOM. This also includes losses in other HYIPs such as AWP Pro

$15,000 was lost supporting Mad Lotto

Stuart has taken approximately $175,000 which in the end forced the program to close.

Before stuart ran off, a large amount was invested into Freeland Opps 4 week venture. When this pays out, it will help with the refunding process.

__________________________________________________ _____________

soooooo .. . according to Sceptre . .. he lost $80,000 to Patryn . . . and now he's just paid him out, eh??? . . . seems to me he paid him out a long time ago!!! hahaha

Posted by: forwardone

Quote:

Patryn Posted: Jul 21 2004, 02:48 AM

Talkgold Top Dog Addict

Group: Members
Posts: 2008
Member No.: 900
Joined: 3-April 03

Full refund received

Geoff

Posted by: betrdanevr

Excellent work, Kiss! So Sceptre and Patryn are playing good cop/bad cop, eh?

So is Patryn supposedly doing some kind of private investment pool?

Posted by: Kiss

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Originally Posted by betrdanevr

Excellent work, Kiss! So Sceptre and Patryn are playing good cop/bad cop, eh?

So is Patryn supposedly doing some kind of private investment pool?

To be quite honest Terri . . . I don't know what the relationship between Sceptre and Patryn is . . . although I do think the "good cop bad cop" thing was played out between Stuart and Sceptre!!! . . . bad cop Stuart took $175,000 and ran . . . while good cop Sceptre tried to pay out refunds!!! . . . but . . . even that scenario didn't, and still doesn't, sit right with me!!! . . . who's to say that Stuart and Patryn aren't one and the same???

. . . ahhhhhh . . . conspiracy theories abound!!! lol

As for Patryn's involvement with a private investment pool . . . I have no idea . . . the only knowledge I have of Patryn (under that name) is what is written on the TG board!!! . . . and from what I've read . . . I'll be happy to keep it that way!!! hahaha

Posted by: Laughing Dog

Patryn is Sceptre's boss. He's also the boss of a lot of other programs in the arena. He was even Mario's boss.

LD

Posted by: gg

I'll bite.

How do you know that? It seems there is a thread running through his activities.

you say he's the boss of a number of other programs in the arena. Which ones?? I would appreciate you sharing your knowledge in detail.

Regards

Posted by: Laughing Dog

It's not difficult to figure out. Just look at who DOESN'T attack him whenever he shows up. And who's this newbie who says he knows so much about Patryn. Who is that really? It's all staged. Why isn't the admin publishing his IPs, even if they ARE proxies? And the same for the newbie.

As for naming the sites he's behind, I'll do that in private - some of his employees come here more often than I do. And I'll be careful who I tell it to.

I'll have to get back to you on this, I have a huge loss at BOM to try to make up ....

LD

Posted by: gg

Well I appreciate your response.

BTW I dont attack him lolol but then I know of him what I'm reading.. but it does appear his influence runs deep.

What surprises me is that so many seem to have "some" info on him.

I'm happy to look for your PM of programs he is running...

As for publishing IP's - given that PHP allows for the checking of all posters IP's I have to wonder why there is not a place on forums where the admin can - if they so choose- publish the IP's of posters.. so that us readers have an idea of the crap that goes on behind the scenes with multiple ID's(personalities??)

Good luck with BOM . .

Posted by: Laughing Dog

Thanks for the luck wish. Re a list of progs though, how do I know I can trust you? What's to say some of the people I name aren't friends of yours? Then I'll be in trouble. That's the trouble in the arena, you can't be sure who knows who. I found that out the hard way when I was friendly with Sceptre and talked too much.

Ld

Posted by: Kiss

Isn't it a sad state of affairs . . . when no one can trust anyone else in this arena??? . . . we've all become so suspicious of one another . . . and so jaded because of all the scammers . . . that it's no wonder the HYIP arena is in the sad shape it's in at the moment!!! . . . even though there are still a few good programs paying out . . . the naysayers are out there . . . trying to bring them down!!!

Hopefully . . . sooner rather than later . . . we'll be able to put these dark days behind us and get on with the business of trying to make some money . . . and also . . . of having a little fun!!!

Posted by: gg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laughing Dog

Thanks for the luck wish. Re a list of progs though, how do I know I can trust you? What's to say some of the people I name aren't friends of yours? Then I'll be in trouble. That's the trouble in the arena, you can't be sure who knows who. I found that out the hard way when I was friendly with Sceptre and talked too much.

Ld

Well LD let's face it - if some of the people you name are freinds of mine thenhmmm surely I'll be tainted with the same brush?

If they're not "friends of mine" then what does it matter.

I am curious tho - you say you'll be in trouble? Ok I fail to see why - if Patryn is behind the programs (and we all agree Patryn is from the dark side) then surely its in our interests to know that?

I am certainly not one for saving the souls of investors - I know there are so many out there who tell everyone not to spend to this or that.. sometimes (it seems) for the sake of saying that. If there is a legitimate reason for not spending then I would think that that is a good thing to be common knowledge.

I'm sure you have a fair idea who I am online - after all its not that hard to find out.

If you choose to share the information, then its much appreciated. Can I promise you I won't publicize it.. nope I cant promise that.

From there it's your call!!..

Posted by: Laughing Dog

I'm afraid I don't know who you are. I've never looked into it and I don't have time at the moment. Should I know you? That's even more worrying.

LD

Posted by: gg

I'm happy to be a nobody . .. but I am an interested member of the HYIP world.

And thats why I'm asking for the info . .

Posted by: Laughing Dog

You see, that's why there's no trust in the arena. Everyone's obsessed with fake names and being anonymous. You won't tell me who you are and you expect me to share my knowledge and hard work with you?

LD

Posted by: gg

I think you are missing the point. You said you have some info - I asked if you would share it.

If Patryn is running other programs and you know that he is, then I would have thought that the whole point would be to tell us which ones - so that we can avoid them. this thread is about what he is doing - not who I am or who you are.

Yep there is a need for anonymity - you WILL note - I assume, that I didnt ask about your identity. I'm content to know you as LD, if thats what you choose. I'm not asking you who Patryn is, I am asking you what the person who is known as Patryn is doing.

If you don't wish to share the info, that's entirely your choice. But this should not be de railed into an anonymity argument.

Posted by: Laughing Dog

If you want to know what Patryn's doing, you should ask the Review Board, not me - not least as at least one of them works for him. I'm not a charity. I find things out for my own benefit.

LD

Posted by: gg

Never suggested you were a charity, all I was doing was following up on your post where you said you would only share the info in private.

I am still intrigued as to how you would get into trouble for sharing such info; that point hasn't been addressed. But - that's neither here nor there.

OK review board... lets hear it.... One of you works for Patryn!!!

Posted by: Laughing Dog

I have nothing more to say to you, ****licker

LD

Posted by: gg

You said you wouldnt share your info - ok- not a problem.. but you also made an allegation. I'm just pursuing it.

If you're called to back it up with facts then it won't be me calling you.

and I'm sure you've got the evidence or you wouldnt be saying what you're saying.

Posted by: awty

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Originally Posted by Laughing Dog

You see, that's why there's no trust in the arena. Everyone's obsessed with fake names and being anonymous.

Some of us aren't.
Jeff