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The BI-II Boat Has Sunk

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Posted by: forwardone

From BI-II`s latest update it looks as though things are now getting back to normal.

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Greetings:
Just a quick note to let you know that the BI-II Admin can get back into the database. It appears that our server provider was the one that was hacked.

Please do not make any spends until AFTER November 1, 2004. We need time to make sure that the accounts were not tampered with, and it will help if you would hold off spending for the time being.

On November 1, 2004 a 3% spend will be made to each account presuming we can do it manually. Mr. Kimo is working on that little problem and hopefully by then it will be resolved. 3% will then be spend to each active account every 10 days thereafter.
Geoff



Posted by: forwardone

I thought this an interesting post at TG. It was made by the `Skipper` (the Admin).

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Greetings:

It doesn't really matter how much a plan pays, as long as the bottom line is: IT PAYS.

BI-II is the vehicle for 'old' Bonded-Investing members to recoup their funds that were lost. We are an Administrative Team that had noting to do with that loss, but are here to recoup those lost funds for its members. The mission ends on July 4, 2006, and at that time all members that joined between June 04' and October 4, 2004 will receive a LUMP SUM payment based upon the residual earnings over the term. Others that join with us AFTER October 4, 2004 are receiving 3% every 10 days.

Recently, we opened the second phase of our plan, and call it the Hydro-Plane. It will fly along side the BI-II and work in areas that the BI-II is not working. Both plans are doing very well. Our THEME is a SHIP on a rescue mission to seek out lost treasure.

OFFER TO ADMIN'S THAT LOST THEIR MEMBERS FUNDS:

The Hydro-Plane has generators in several areas. It is solid enough to compete with plans that pay 1% per day; and, it will be reliable enough for outside Admin's that need something to back their HYIP. We do not intend to compete with you should you join us as an outside Admin and rely upon us to pay you each payday. Within our framework of BI-II, the Hydro-Plane plan pays 4% every 10 days to the membership. You could offer any amount above that and at the same time know you have backing that will not fail. DETAILS WILL BE GIVEN SHOULD YOU REQUEST AT: TheSkipper@SAFe-mail.net

OUR INTENT AND MISSION:

Over the term of the mission for BI-II which ends on July 4, 2006, we want to prove that a "bail-out" plan can succeed. We are an honest Administrative Team and wish to GIVE AWAY our profits to the membership thereby helping those that need the funds the most not lose with us. Once July 4, 2006 arrives, that will be the day "all eyes" will be watching us. Until then, I guess we are still being evaluated. You as an outside Admin of a HYIP could be a part of that achievement and acquire a name for yourself should you wish to become a part of our overall plan. Without a TRUE sourse of generating power, no plan will work. We have such a POWER SOURSE.


Geoff



Posted by: forwardone

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Dear Members...Arnett the former Admin of BI-I contacted me (Kimo-admin of BI-II) and wanted to send the following message to all BI-I members that joined BI-II. If you are not a former BI-I you may disregard the following message...=======================>From Arnett -Former Admin of BI-I TO: All BI-I members that joined BI-IIDear Members..There has been a misconception by some BI-I members that I, Arnett the previous BI Admin is running BI-2. This misconception I am here to say, is simply not true.Yes BI-I is bankrupt. Unexpected marketmoves caught us in unrecoverable position. The BI-I team did notprofit at all from the collapse of BI-I.Because the BI-I membership was such a loyal base that I truly enjoyed working with I felt very badly over the bankruptcy of BI-I so I made the decision to locate a new Admin and Financial team that had the experience and ability to design and fufill a real recovery plan for the few remaining BI-I members that chose to participate.Thus the birth of BI-II on or about 7-4-2004... and open enrollment for the remaining BI-I members that wanted to participate in BI-II. Joining BI-II was a choice given BI-I members, some joinedand some chose not to join.My only association with BI-II was assisting during the transistion phase.. and now that it is obvious that BI-II is real, paying on time and it is on track for it's core recovery mission... I have asked the BI-II admin team for the opportunity to post this farewell messagefrom me. (Arnett).To all the former BI-I members.. Thank you for your support of BI-I. I'm sorry things did not turn out better for both of us. I have every confidence in the new BI-II team, their honesty, integrity andability to complete the recovery plan for those BI-I members that decided to participate.As the year winds down.. and my transition efforts to assist BI-II are now complete.. I will be taking down the old BI-I site at year's end. Get to know the BI-II team... Commodore, Skipper, Kimo, Andy and Spec and the National Represenative..for They are your future.I wish you all well.May your Christmas be Merry and New Year Prosperous.Good-Bye and the best of luck !Arnett / Former BI-I admin

Geoff



Posted by: forwardone

Although members who wished to withdraw interest were asked to do so during January, it seems that there`s going to be a delay with some payments.

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Regarding withdrawal request

All withdrawal request are on hold until the disbursement account is funded with the returns earned. There was a change in paying to our disbursement account and has caused delays in returning your earnings to you.

We do not wish to have anyone join BI-II until May 2005.

DO NOT JOIN BI-II OR SPEND TO BI-II UNTIL THERE IS A PLACE FOR THE FUNDS TO BE PLACED.

The best estimate to have the withdrawal request honored is February 18th, and that is not definate.

The Skipper

Should members be worried?

Geoff



Posted by: forwardone

Once again the BI-II site is down. It does seem to suffer it`s fair share of problems!

Geoff



Posted by: forwardone

Maybe it`s time to re-title this thread `The BI-II Boat Is Sinking` (In fact I have).

From The Skipper on the BI-II Forum.

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There was once this little bird that waited too long to head south for the winter. And, on his way a cold front caught him and as he stopped for some food, he got so cold that he couldn't get back off the ground.

A cow came along and said, I'll help you and turned around and crapped on him. The warmth of it saved his life.

The next morning, he stuck his head out and saw that he was still alive and started singing. A cat came along and said, I'll help you, cleaned him off and then ate him.

The morale of the story is: Those that crap on you aren't necessarily your enemy, and those that clean the crap off of you aren't necessarily your friend.

So, it's best to keep your mouth shut when you are warm and comfortable regardless where you are, and you haven't yet completed the journey of going south.

***** BI-II still has time to reach it's goal, well over 16 months yet. Just because there has been a set back doesn't mean the mission has failed. The web site is still here, and unlike others that have simply disappeared under all the crap they have to endure from their friends, BI-II is still floating. *****

The Skipper

Others can duplicate us; but, NONE can imitate us
Geoff



Posted by: forwardone

Not too sure about the validity of this post, found at the BI-II Forum, and posted by someone called `martini.` Somehow I think I`ve lost my $30 (less payments).
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Mr Specktator has asked me in a message to post this for everyone. As a concerned member, I am respecting his request. PLEASE READ:
Answered by: Specktator

You are right, everywhere you turn in this arena programs fail all the time. Mr. Lloyd lost over $60K, or the funds are locked in some bank.

The admin contacted Mr. Lloyd to secure the principal and that was all his part was. That part of the plan is still in place and working. Come July 4, 2006 even Mr. Lloyd will recoup his own principal by his own plan, yet he will lose his earnings through the other part.

The overall plan was fail proof especially principal security, but the earnings side was caused by outside forces that no one say coming until it hit.

Mr. Lloyd will give further updates and progress reports as he is going to purchase the BI-II web site and database on behalf of the membership and get it running. He is going to get the passwords of the forum and give updates on his portion of the plan which will show everyone that there was more to it than what was evident on the surface.

I'm a part of the plan as well and will help as much as possible in answering questions and post. We will no longer have the harsh responses from the Commodore because he is having his own problems at the moment and has, like Elvis, left the building.

Be patient with Mr. Lloyd because his only duty was to secure the principal. You do not have to add any funds to BI-II whatsoever. Enough is there that will compound until July 4, 2006 that will pay you and everyone else back 100%. I noticed in his post that he is even adding funds himself to give each member some return all along the way. Thus, the plan will have completed successfully for the membership although high returns would not have been achieved.

All is not lost just yet. It's still possible the funds will be released as Mr. Kadizak didn't do anything wrong and his attorneys are working on the situation. Let's forget about them because we don't want to get involved and become a part of their dilemma right now.

Wish you the best, and Mr. Lloyd will see that you are paid your withdrawal when he gets control of the BI-II database. Right now he is working to do just that.

After reading above.. Please send blank e-mail to following e-mail address for further info via Auto-responder.

speck-tator@safe-mail.net

All the Best,

Speck, Genius

Geoff



Posted by: awty

No surprise there for me. I was 'benefactored' into BI 2, by someone who had always been straight with me, and is no longer associated with "BI2". Oh well, SSDD...
Jeff



Posted by: golddust

This found on the forum - the last post 2/24/05:

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Due to post being made by non-members, the forum has been CLOSED. It was by the request of the owner of the P-SLSL company that protected the principal of those BI-II members that joined BI-II through October 4, 2004. Those funds were protected by collaterial and was insured from loss. Thus, there was no choice except to honor his wishes regarding it closing.

IF you are a member of BI-II, you can login to your account and read the news and updates at the web site. Nothing further will be found at this forum.

IF you are new, do not sign up at the BI-II site because your account will be deactivated. The P-SLSL plan the BI-II members will be receiving returns is PRIVATE and does not have a web presence and never will be subject to that exposure. It has had life since 1994, and ALL of the BI-II membership wishes for it to continue indefinately without any further outside influence.

All other comments and news will be found within the web site.

Skipper


There is no other "comments and news" found at the website.

Looks like an abandoned ship.


golddust



Posted by: forwardone

BI-II is now known as the Marie Celeste (until it sinks without trace that is).

Geoff



Posted by: golddust

Very funny... I am NOT having a good day...

wah, wah, wah...


golddust



Posted by: awty

Thanks, Golddust, I always find little 'notes' like a sentence in the above post telling. Don't know whether it's intended, subconsciously, or otherwise, but little 'clues' like this, I find useful...

"Those funds were protected by collaterial and was insured from loss."

Interesting, the use of the term '*WERE*', rather than *ARE*, and *WAS* rather than *ARE*...

Intentional or not, 'slip' or not... Interesting...

Does it mean anything? Don't know. And, I'm not betting on a good explanation, either...

(allowing 'non-members' to post? INTERESTING! Now... Whose 'fault' would that be, I wonder.... chuckle... LOVE the explanations, at times!)


Ahhh. The games some people choose to play...

Amazing. SImply amazing. ALWAYS someone ELSE's fault, isn't it?

Whatever happened to responsibility and accountability (And, I might note, MY personal track record on that is 'somewhat' less than 'perfect'...)


Just my opinion,
Jeff



Posted by: awty

BTW, Arnett, if you're reading this, thanks for always being straight with me. It IS appreciated!
Jeff



Posted by: golddust

And Arnett, if you are reading, care to comment?



Posted by: forwardone

Against the advice of many who had been in the original BI-I, I decided when the new program was launched to jump in with the minimum spend of $30. I`ve had some of that back along the way, but I think many of those who did join BI-II did so in the hope of eventually seeing some of our BI-I funds returned.

`Good money after bad` now comes to mind, so it looks like those who refused to get involved in the new venture were right.

Geoff



Posted by: golddust

I'm with you there Geoff. It was worth the risk to try to recover the lost funds from BI-1. And at the start, it was looking good.
Guess Skipper turned pirate.

golddust



Posted by: forwardone

Received this email from BI-II.

http://www.freewebs.com/bonded2/

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As most members know BI-II is on Hold.
Earnings transfer for January never arrived..
I am told something to do with account frozen from our earnings source.
However BI-II is not gone.. and member principal was insured.. by taking small portion of princial and put into separate time account.
Member Principal will be earned back by July 2006. Without earning funds I can not pay for dedicated web site.. I will set up new information site at the following addresss>

freewebs.com/Bonded2

Notice there is No "-" dash between bonded and 2.

The site has just been reserved.. it will take a few days to post things there.

ALL MEMBERS WANTING FUTURE PRINCIPAL REFUND FROM BI-II...
PLEASE CHECK UPDATES AT THE NEW WEB SITE LISTED ABOVE. OR FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS THAT WILL BE POSTED THERE.
Geoff



Posted by: golddust

Thanks for the info, I did not receive this message.
Definitely nothing happening at the freewebs.com site...



Posted by: awty

The BI-II Boat Is Sinking

...

Personally, I consider it already sunk. Another case (likely?) of someone 'buying' a 'known' name, and doing their best to take advantage of it.

Were/are there 'real' plans? Could be, but...

Just my opinion,
Jeff



Posted by: forwardone

I`ve just had a look at the site, and this message from Kimo was on it. I don`t know how long it had been there.

http://www.freewebs.com/bonded2/
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Dear BI-II Members:

As you are aware.. BI-II earnings and payout is currently on hold.
We did not receive the January Earnings and as such we had to put
this program on HOLD.

As it was explained to me, the trading entity that earned our earnings had their accounts frozen
due to the large movement of funds in and out from some clients. BI-II was not one of the clients
causing the problem. The trading entity served many clients and the movement of $millions in and
out drew attention to them. The funds are not lost.. they are simply frozen assets until investigated.

However there is ray of light in the sea of bad news... A small portion of principal was set aside with
a different group in what we call a "Time Account". The small principal set aside was like insurance that
would cover the principal of all members. The Time account matures in approx 12 - 14 months and it's
compounding will at that time reach the sum of all member principal and be returned to the BI-II members.

Unlike other programs that simply disapear.. We are still here and we are working to return everyone's
principal. The events that happened were not how we had hoped the program would operate.
Luckily some funds were set aside and to that extent your principal is insured. All you have lost is time
and opportunity. If there is extra residual income when the time account is accessed. The extra earnings
will also be distributed. Thus you will only be out some time.. and you may have small profit to show for.

This will be the official web page for updates. Eventually the Data-base site we will let go for the reason
it costs to have dedicated server and those fees we can save to give back to members.

I will also list here the BI-II account numbers that have been paid back their principal.. when pay back of
principal begins.

That's the news as I have been told..

Good Luck Best wishes..

Kimo-admin
Geoff



Posted by: golddust

Thanks for the update Geoff. I'll still think it's a write-off.

golddust



Posted by: forwardone

STILL no updates on their free website. Why isn`t that a surprise?

Geoff



Posted by: forwardone

I was just thinking back in time to the `good ole days` of BI and CPUI and Octavian Holdings. Since I`ve heard nothing about BI-II for a while I thought I`d check their free website, http://www.freewebs.com/bonded2/

Guess what, 3 months on and payments are still on hold. Yes, of course they are. I wonder why they don`t just take the site down and confirm what we all knew back then?

No more payments, they scammed all their members who reinvested with them, and they`re all a bunch of thieves!

Geoff



Posted by: golddust

Glad you are not 'holding back' Geoff.



Posted by: Luxor

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Guess what, 3 months on and payments are still on hold.

Only three months? That's nothing compared to PIPS which is 6 months behind yet still has everyone cheering.

There certainly is nothing worse than a scammer who builds up the hopes and dreams of their prey only to tear them to shreds

+++LUXOR+++



Posted by: forwardone

What really annoyed me with this one is the fact that not only did BI collapse, which is bad enough in itself, but that some `saviour` comes along promising a revival. To get what was lost in the first program we were then `invited` to deposit into BI-II and in time all our funds would be recovered in addition to what we`d make on the new program.

Once bitten twice shy has now taught me not to ever contemplate putting fresh monies in to a program on the basis that I will then recover lost funds from the past.

Geoff



Posted by: forwardone

This is a walk down memory lane for golddust and myself since the subject has been resurrected over at TG over whether refunds will be made.



Posted by: golddust

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Originally Posted by Luxor

....There certainly is nothing worse than a scammer who builds up the hopes and dreams of their prey only to tear them to shreds

+++LUXOR+++



Couldn't resist, the irony of this post.



Posted by: forwardone

Yes, salt in to the wounds eh!



Posted by: golddust

Twisted really...



Posted by: TSGc

January 16, 2007

We are less than 60 days away from refunding ALL of the BI-ii membership. Well that is if I can get them ALL chased down.

What happened in the past was the backing principal died, and his family caused the funds to be frozen. I have since taken care of that problem for GOOD. Two are in jail NOW.

I'm going after Lloyd's bank and will have them in court June 5th 2007. The can't weasle out or delay anymore after 5 years chasing them.

Funds for recovery of BI-II are at 1/3 of what I need, and will be at 100% ($140K) by March 07'. That's a promise from me, and there will NOT be any further delay.

BI-II will be disolved for ever as I do not wish to deal with hyipers in the future. They are the scum of the earth, or at least the one's I dealt with are.

There are some other plans that I let hyipers manage and they too failed even though the funds were there to pay people. Those plans will be resolved as well by or starting March 07'. I'm being persuaded to let my daughter handle the hyipers. Which I may do. She will bite your head off if you try to cause program failure!

I'm going to clear my name - watch me!

Clayton L. Parker
TheSAMGroup.net
616-802-4477 ANYTIME - Private Line



Posted by: golddust

Sorry that you have had a bad time with HYIPers, perhaps you can understand the distrust and hateful posts by some who have placed their belief in program admins time and time again, and lost their funds. Others cheat as an alternative to recover their losses, and still others hack in to steal from the admin or from other members. There is an overly strong sense of entitlement by those who have lost to due these causes.
It seems you are a strong willed person with a sense of honor to make things right to members who were involved in B1-2. It is the right decision to dissolve the program, after this amount of time, it would be hard to find anyone who would participate.
Your daughter seems to have an excellent attitude for running an HYIP, if she has a big enough bite, cause there are always people lurking who will bother a competing program... ddos attacks, sending hackers and cheaters. Sometimes this is exacerbated by forum participants, or by being a public program.

I am searching for my egold records for the BI-1 and BI-2 programs tonight and will be sending off to you.

Thank you for the communications and efforts to bring resolution to the program.

golddust



Posted by: TSGc

Folks, do me a favor when you find the records, fill out the application that you will find at my site: www.tinyurl.com/j6ezg You can put in the body of the application the information. I am ready now to answer and pay all who respond.

I won in court against those that caused the program failure and now have the funds to refund each of you. All I need is to know who you are.

Had I been one of those who stole from you, I could not have achieved what I did.

I will when I receive your information make a request for you to open an account whereby I can have you receive a MasterCard CASH CARD and I'll load it with your refund and you can withdraw it at any ATM. I dare not deposit $140K into an e-gold account. I trust a bank much more.

Thanks,

Clayton L. Parker
616-802-4477



Posted by: forwardone

Not sure of what value it is, but I see Clayton has posted over at THF re another project he`s running, and at the bottom of the post there`s something which might be of interest to some members re the old BI-II.


http://www.thehyipforum.com/showthr...89141#post89141

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********** Looking for past members *************

Funds are now ready to be disbursed to you to resolve ALL
past issues. Call me!

616-802-4477
Clayton L. Parker





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