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Posted by: edward

Interesting stuff. "We are coming for you"

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It was reported to me that in a TG post it was stated that I was arrested yesterday.

All I can say is that I have a pretty nice cell, at one time last night it had 100+ people in it including some PIPS members and they were serving T-Bone steaks from the BBQ, live music and beers.

TG keep it coming because we are coming for you.

Posted by: forwardone

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All I can say is that I have a pretty nice cell, at one time last night it had 100+ people in it including some PIPS members and they were serving T-Bone steaks from the BBQ, live music and beers.

Just the sort of news PIPS members love to hear if the program does fail, I`m sure.

Posted by: forwardone

I`ve not actually read the post claiming that Bryan M. had been put in jail, but TG`s Brian has responded to the comments in the first post in this thread.

http://www.talkgold.com/forum/r24058-.html

Brian makes some good points about a relatively small amount of posters being unable to wreck a huge program which PIPS claims to be. Also, and it`s difficult to argue with this point, that if PIPS had their house in order (particularly payments) then the antiPIPsters would have little to attack them on.

Brian`s post starts off though by calling for calm by posters in the PIPS folder. The name calling by many TG members is something I find regrettable, and because of the policy of virtual `free speech` over there sometimes things can very quickly flare up and get completely out of hand.

Free speech is important, but with it comes responsibility, and sometimes I think that some of the TG members abuse that, and aren`t doing Brian any favours by their actions.

Geoff

Posted by: Hardlyworkin

I actually think it is one of the more intellegent posts I have seen on the TG forum in quite some time. I wonder if Bryan M. will take Brian up on his request to email him.

Posted by: betrdanevr

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Brian makes some good points about a relatively small amount of posters being unable to wreck a huge program which PIPS claims to be. Also, and it`s difficult to argue with this point, that if PIPS had their house in order (particularly payments) then the antiPIPsters would have little to attack them on.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to chime in here and share my (regrettable) experience and disagree that a "relatively small amount" of posters can wreck a huge program.

I witnessed my former husband doing this kind of activity, and I left him because of it. I had to schlep answer machine tapes all over the city where I live, for three months, and have lawyers and secretaries see if they could I.D. his voice, and it included a former governor of this state. Personal threats to one party sealed his fate. And you'd better believe I was on the witness stand when he was charged and found guilty of telephone harassment. Didn't make for a happy divorce, but I'd do it again in a heartbeat.

ONE possessed individual who is mentally off-balance can INDEED do a LOT of damage, even if people don't believe what is being said. I have few doubts that if a person or persons of this type made incessant calls to banking institutions and others involved with PIPS, they would likely want to stop association with PIPS if only to stop the harassment and because some business associations just 'ain't worth the trouble.'

No doubt there are many 'regular' PIPsters out there who have voiced complaints to institutions, but it only takes one zealot with a vengeane.

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Brian`s post starts off though by calling for calm by posters in the PIPS folder. The name calling by many TG members is something I find regrettable, and because of the policy of virtual `free speech` over there sometimes things can very quickly flare up and get completely out of hand.

Unfortunately, that calling for calm was ineffective. Look at the rest of the thread (at least the last time I checked). We have idiots over there calling for PIPS members to sue their referrers.

Perhaps a look at the WWSN change in policy would be interesting.

Posted by: forwardone

Does anyone here remember the accusations back in the 80`s and revived in the 90`s about the U.S. company Proctor & Gamble? It was in connection with supposed Satan worship, and the issue centred around their logo.

Another big company was charged with starting these accusations against P & G for it`s own commercial benefit, and court cases ensued.

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Get behind me Satan! A company as consistently successful as Proctor & Gamble is understandably threatening. Perhaps that is why P&G has long been accused of Satanism - the false rumor that P&G's trademark was the devil's sign and that the company donated to the Church of Satan was revived in 1996. The company logo, which depicts a bearded-faced moon and 13 stars (representing the 13 original colonies), actually has its origins in 1851 America. In response to consumer alarm and sliding sales, P&G sued competitor Amway for allegedly fanning the false rumors among distributors. A $595 million lawsuit finally went to court in 1999, but was found to be without merit. P&G is appealing the decision.

Now I don`t know whether P.& G lost any custom over these false allegations (whoever started them) but it must have cost them a lot of money to go to court about the matter, and it`s reputation surely must have suffered somewhat.

What I`m trying to say is that I do believe it`s unfair to unjustly criticize any company on unsubstantiated accusations. A lot of harm can, and often is done by these actions. And, Terri, I also understand what you are saying about just one single individual being able to cause a lot of distress for another, as in your own case. Happily you were able to deal with it and no doubt came through it all a better and stronger person.

In the case of PIPS, however, some of the allegations are without question true. I`m not going to run through all the `facts` it`s been done enough times in other places, but one thing is true, payments, which I would guess is the biggest bone of contention, aren`t being made in a timely manner, in fact from what I understand they are around 5 months late. If that`s the case, PIPS would have a hard time in taking anyone to court for slander, or in the case of a forum such as TG for libel.

On the other hand, I notice that Brian is attempting to steady things in the PIPS thread. Some are even suggesting contacting vBulletin, the owners of the script TG uses. That`s pathetic as far as I`m concerned. But, Brian has posted that anyone being threatened personally in any post should contact him and he will delete the offending post. That`s where I would take issue, because I would ban any member issuing threats to other members, and if I were the Admin ask the Mods there to be vigilant for such things, so that they could be stopped in their tracks.

PIPS is a very contentious issue at the moment and a lot of very unpleasant things are being said, much of it over and over to the point of boredom. It`s an issue I`ll certainly be glad to see the back of.

Geoff

Posted by: Hardlyworkin

I agree Geoff many want to see the whole situation come to an end one way or another for better or for worse. I however believe that the closing of the forum was a good move on Bryans part. There was too much speculation with no positive proof at all. We will see what develops over the upcoming months.

Posted by: Sstugatz

The truth is, PIPS' Bryan is sh*tting in his pants. There's money being generated, that's very likely, but never enough to sustain the promised payouts.

If a large crowd of people start publicly dissing PIPS, people start selling their picpay for much less than its "value", PIPS gets less spends, therefore, has a much harder time paying out.

It was the beginning of the end 6 months ago, now half a year later, people are still hagnin', but seeing how people still talk about FLO over a year after, we ain't done being fed all sorts of crap by Bryan, who'll probably keep offering his members all sorts of excuses until:

1) He picks up and runs with whatever's left
2) Someone gets fed up and gets him arrested.

You can't play god and think you're above the law. You can't possibly, in your right state of mind, think that it's a good business decision to pay back your investors with 2% daily. If you're going to have a buisness, you can borrow money from the bank, and pay 6% interest per year. In the unlikely event that you can't, and wish to turn to the internet to gather some funds, then fine, go right ahead, but reimbursing your investors with 700% their deposit in a year is only illogical and cannot function very long, unless you're playing the ponzi game.

Posted by: chicosan

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Originally Posted by Sstugatz

The truth is, PIPS' Bryan is sh*tting in his pants. There's money being generated, that's very likely, but never enough to sustain the promised payouts.

When you take into consideration ALL of the PIPS programs and the FACT that they are ALL contributing to the 2% payout, Bryan has NO reason to be shi***** in his pants. Sustaining the 2% is NO problem given these facts.

If a large crowd of people start publicly dissing PIPS, people start selling their picpay for much less than its "value", PIPS gets less spends, therefore, has a much harder time paying out.

What you are saying would have some validity IF PIPS were a ponzi. Several members who have visited PIPS have met the 6 traders that are working for PIPS. PIPS "ARE NOT" dependent on new spends and thus "ARE NOT" a ponzi.

It was the beginning of the end 6 months ago, now half a year later, people are still hagnin', but seeing how people still talk about FLO over a year after,

I wonder why that is???

we ain't done being fed all sorts of crap by Bryan, who'll probably keep offering his members all sorts of excuses until:

There isn't a business anywhere online or offline that doesn't go through a series of problems and delays. That doesn't mean that they are scams or ponzis. What you call "excuses" are in fact legitimate delays that must be dealt with.

1) He picks up and runs with whatever's left
2) Someone gets fed up and gets him arrested.

IF Bryan had been the type to run, he would have done it long ago.
That would be about the same as cutting your own throat.

You can't play god and think you're above the law. You can't possibly, in your right state of mind, think that it's a good business decision to pay back your investors with 2% daily.

Bryan isn't operating above the law. How many of the C&Ds that have labelled PIPS as an illegal ponzi scheme have done enough DD to support that allegation? Not many, IF any. You, and other "so called" experts seem to make far too much of the 2% every trade day and try to label it as impossible. Other experts in a very private and reserved worldwide trading industry have been averaging more than that for decades.

If you're going to have a buisness, you can borrow money from the bank, and pay 6% interest per year. In the unlikely event that you can't, and wish to turn to the internet to gather some funds, then fine, go right ahead, but reimbursing your investors with 700% their deposit in a year is only illogical and cannot function very long, unless you're playing the ponzi game.

It's what YOU do not know that you label as illogical and impossible, but it's out there and has been for years. I guess you have forgotten....a ponzi game "HAS NO TRADING" involved with it...that's why it is called a ponzi. PIPS has 6 traders working for them.

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Posted by: Hardlyworkin

Excellent reply chicosan couldn't have said it better myself.

Posted by: edward

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"so called" experts seem to make far too much of the 2% every trade day and try to label it as impossible. Other experts in a very private and reserved worldwide trading industry have been averaging more than that for decades.

Did you know that if you make 2% return per trading day for 10 years (one decade) and intially invested $1, you'd have: $223,453,918,452,846,514,060,102.00 If so many people are doing this, why is the richest man in the world only worth $40,000,000,000?

Posted by: betrdanevr

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Originally Posted by edward

Well, probably because nothing last for 10 years in this arena. Sooner or later, as per your example, reason dictates the accounts would have to be capped. The currency supply becomes dry or the banking system won't stand for it.

(And sooner rather than later, somebody's going to "spend" to the wrong program(s) and lose all that money, anyway! LOL)

As far as why Bryan doesn't borrow at 6% instead of paying the members the stated ROI, it's time to get over that line of thinking, methinks. Or maybe just go invest in the stock market.

Bryan Marsden opened this program as a moneymaking opportunity for people, NOT as a way to start a McDonald's chain in Indonesia. Opening and running legitimate businesses to contribute to any trading proceeds to pay PIPS members is laudable in my book.

If you should find him in a Costa Rican *****house and discover that the restaurants are movie sets and the people who say they have been to the restaurants are only paid actors, then I'll be more interested.

I happen to think there's a great possibility of real validity to Bryan's claim that at least a significant portion of the banking problems were caused by troublemakers. Then again, the size of the accounts, as Edward has alluded to, and the negative press have added to the problem.

Whoever has enough money in this arena to invest it at 5% per month ROI and be satisfied, I congratulate you. But I balk at those who put down the opportunities for the "little guy," the "average Joe" or "average Joan," as that's the league I'm in. Traditional investment and banking routes do not serve to get the guy on the street ahead. We're here to find a solution.

I'm not unaware that there could be a big ponzi component to PIPS as well. It's another reality of high-yield online "gambling," and I 'play 'em' all with this in mind. Do I want to see the 'last in' in a ponzi get hurt? NO!! Been there, done that. Will probably lose $$ that way again. Hopefully, less often than the in the beginning.

It's a damned double-edge sword in this arena.

Do I want to see Bryan come after Brian??? NO!!!!!

But if he can find and pursue the troublemakers and scambusters, I will be rooting him on in many ways. And he'll have to open his books in the process, so maybe then we'll all know the real deal.

Off my soapbox for now, and I don't even have a PIPS account. LOL

Posted by: Sstugatz

I think your attitude Terri is much more rational than the hardcore PIPS defender.

Like I said, it's obvious PIPS invested money in different vehicles. 6 traders, fine, whatever, I'll believe it when I see it, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

However, look back onto HYIP community. Which opportunity, after 6 months of non-payments, have successfully completed a 180 degrees turn around, and come back to claim it's rightful place as the almighty leader of HYIPs? None.

The reality is PIPS hasn't been paying. The reality is that the followers have been fed excuse after excuse. Truth in there? Possibly. Money in members' pockets? None.

One's greatness is only determined by his capability to put his money where his mouth is.

It's easy to shut up the "relatively small amount" of negative posters. Just pay.

Posted by: khernandez

well i dont know about the rest of you, but i have an outX of picpay sitting in a Los Angeles delivery truck today and I hope to have cash in my hands within a week...