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Posted by: forwardone

Vertex System Trader https://www.vstrader.com/index.php

This program has been running for several months now and is shown as paying at one Rating site I know of.

Returns aimed for of 20%-35% monthly.

Anyone here tell us more about this program? It must be in the running to go into our `Proven Payers` folder.

Geoff

Posted by: forwardone

I`ve just looked in at their forum and payments are being made on time.

Geoff

Posted by: forwardone

It amuses me when I read of the comments by some members when they flit from program to program trying to find one that lasts a while. They complain when those offering totally unrealistic rates collapse.

This one`s payouts, (check their forum out) for the past 4 weeks are 4.36%, 6.17%, 3.92%, and 6.23%.

It just carries on week by week, and it has done that for over 60 weeks now.

I like variable returns which indicate the program is actually doing some sort of trading.

Geoff

Posted by: Onkel_Tom

Hi Geoff,

I am also invested in this program. Between 3 and 9% each week seems to be realistic.

Posted by: i-Midas.com

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onkel_Tom

Between 3 and 9% each week seems to be realistic.

Posted by: clifton

I am watching this one too, but not invested yet. Would be happy to hear more insiders.

Posted by: Zimbu

I'm in this one for a nice little sum. Less than a month so far, but it seems nice and quiet and my balance is growing.. hard to complain about that!!

Posted by: Trinary

I'm very interested, but a couple things kinda sets me off and scared me...
I probably won't put in money into this, can't really be that sure about them...
Hearing reports about them filtering their forum, or such... and that I've not seen anyone with actual real DD done to them...

Posted by: clifton

Actually I find the returns a bit high. I'll keep watching and won't invest soon.

Posted by: Trinary

I agree, clifton, the return seems rather a bit high for real program as well...

Posted by: easymoney

I've invested some money in this program. Don't know if they are for real, but so far they've paid me each week.
The forum issue is resolved. Seems there was a glitch in their system. It is resolved now. No censuring going on as far as I'm aware of.

Variable returns are indeed giving the impression of real trading, but off course there's no quarantee. Also no referral fee is a good sign in
my opinion.

Again, so far they pay reasanable profits and they are paying for a long time already. Good enough for me

Posted by: forwardone

There aren`t too many programs with 72 weeks of trading. Nice to see this one still around. Last week`s interest 6.12%.

Posted by: Trinary

By spring next year, there'll be much more transparency, according to them.

Posted by: forwardone

Their last three week`s results - 6.12%, 7.09%, and 3.62%.

Posted by: clifton

Congratulations for their good job. I'll wait the Spring however

Posted by: tulasu

This is the kind of program one wishes they had got in, but wonders if it's too late now, especially at this time of year.

Tulasu

Posted by: golddust

I would worry more about new programs. This one has been performing very well for a long time (relatively speaking). A disappearing act at the holidays would have to be a long drawn out plan of survival to get to that point, and does not appear to be headed in that direction.

Of course, we have all been fooled by the best...

golddust

Posted by: FutureGizmo

i agree, i'd rather wait till next year before putting any money here.

Posted by: EuroPhil

I invested a small amount end of August. So far so good. However, I must say I am still a bit skeptical about this one.

Posted by: golddust

Welcome to the forum EuroPhil! Good for you investing early on (then those of us who admit waiting).
Can you say why you are "a bit skeptical"?

golddust

Posted by: EuroPhil

Thanks for your welcome Golddust.

As far as I know they hasn't been any DD on VSTrader and they don't seem to be willing to undergo any DD till spring next year. Another thing is that their return seem to be a bit high.

Posted by: candy

Since the value of my account has doubled I withdrew the original spend with no problems. There is a 7 day hold to get funds in current account and it can take a day to get the funds to egold.

Posted by: golddust

I read that this program is hosted by Katz Global on another forum, sorry don't know which... If this is the case, then VST is probably a scam, and anyone who has made money is lucky. I'll bet they go by Christmas, with a whole bunch of members waiting for their withdrawals.

golddust

I'm going to do my DD thing on this one...

Posted by: EuroPhil

I did a whois search (see below) and I can confirm that they used Katz Global to anonymously register the domain with Godaddy. Is it really a bad sign? I don't know. They might have some good reason to operate anonymously. Maybe they are physically located in a highly regulated country such as the USA and they prefer to remain anonymous.

Anyway, it's probably wise to do like Candy and get back the principal asap.

-------------------------------------------------------------------
Registrant:
Katz Global Domain Name Trust

Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: VSTRADER.COM

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.HONGKONGDNS.COM
NS2.HONGKONGDNS.COM

For complete domain details go to:
http://whois.godaddy.com

A search whois.godaddy.com returned the following:

Registrant:
Katz Global Domain Name Trust

32 Maxwell Road #03-07
Singapore, SC 069115
Singapore

Registered through: GoDaddy.com (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: VSTRADER.COM
Created on: 24-Oct-04
Expires on: 24-Oct-07
Last Updated on: 31-Dec-04

Administrative Contact:
Privacy Protected Domain, Katz Global Domain Name Trust domaintrust@katzglobal.com
Katz Global Domain Name Trust
32 Maxwell Road #03-07
Singapore, SC 069115
Singapore
67228356 Fax -- 67258021
Technical Contact:
Privacy Protected Domain, Katz Global Domain Name Trust domaintrust@katzglobal.com
Katz Global Domain Name Trust
32 Maxwell Road #03-07
Singapore, SC 069115
Singapore
67228356 Fax -- 67258021

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.HONGKONGDNS.COM
NS2.HONGKONGDNS.COM

Posted by: golddust

KG has a reputation for hosting Scams and making some percentage arrangements/kickbacks from the programs. They also provide minimal ddos protection so in the event a program is ddos'd, it provides an excellent opportunity for the program to take the money and run while the host either 'trys' to recover, or buys time for the Scammer.

Notice that there is no actual "person" named in the registry info at all, just a KG registry agent.

Quote:

Administrative Contact:
Privacy Protected Domain, Katz Global Domain Name Trust

Any Privacy Protected Domain is always a cause for caution, as it indicates that the real people behind the site do not want to be identified, or found.

FYI - the SSL cert expires in 17 days for this domain. They can operate without it of course.

Here's some further KG Hosting information:

Quote:

inetnum: 202.157.180.192 - 202.157.181.63
netname: KATZ-GLOBAL-MEDIA
country: HK
descr: Katz Global Media
admin-c: IP6-AP
tech-c: MH352-AP
status: ASSIGNED NON-PORTABLE
changed: http://img.nameintel.com/email.pgif?md5=0ebcab50501c5581010824089d041df0 20041027
mnt-by: MAINT-SG-WEBVISIONS
source: APNIC

person: Indra Pramana
address: Webvisions Pte Ltd
address: 75 Science Park Drive
address: #02-06/08 Cintech II
address: Singapore Science Park I
address: Singapore 118255
country: SG
phone: +65-6773-9492
fax-no: +65-6773-9389
e-mail: http://img.nameintel.com/email.pgif?md5=0ebcab50501c5581010824089d041df0
nic-hdl: IP6-AP
mnt-by: MAINT-SG-WEBVISIONS
changed: http://img.nameintel.com/email.pgif?md5=0ebcab50501c5581010824089d041df0 20020719
source: APNIC

person: Mohamad Zulkifli Hanafi
nic-hdl: MH352-AP
e-mail: http://img.nameintel.com/email.pgif?md5=7f85edbc9c11aee49cb71d5d6fd8dfdd
address: 75 Science Park Drive
address: #02-06/08 Cintech II
address: Singapore Science Park I
address: Singapore 118255
phone: +65-6773-9550
fax-no: +65-6773-9389
country: SG
changed: http://img.nameintel.com/email.pgif?md5=0ebcab50501c5581010824089d041df0 20030303
mnt-by: MAINT-SG-WEBVISIONS
source: APNIC

The IP address for VSTrader is: 202.157.181.52, the only domain at this IP. However, the Host IP range above (202.157.180.192 - 202.157.181.63) - has included these previous Scam programs:

202.157.180.213
http://www.fundswizard.com
202.157.180.217
http://www.goldstable.com
202.157.180.219
http://investfive.com
202.157.180.228
http://www.phoenixhyip.com
202.157.180.233
http://e-weeklyplusdeals.com
202.157.180.245
http://www.trendinginvestments.biz
202.157.180.246
http://www.forex-union.com
202.157.181.9
http://www.makeprofitwith.us
http://www.investissement-offshore.com
202.157.181.11
http://www.jardinesinvestment.com
202.157.181.15
http://www.newworldinvest.com
202.157.181.18
http://www.hyip2005.com
202.157.181.27
http://dhyip.com
202.157.181.37
http://www.mega-profit.biz
202.157.181.48
http://safestegoldinvestments.com
http://eurogoldtrust.com
http://www.wesecureyourfuture.com
http://www.investyourpresent.com
202.157.181.50
http://www.golden-steps.com
202.157.181.58
http://www.g-g-u.com

Be careful out there!

golddust

Posted by: easymoney

Thanks for this info Golddust and EuroPhil.
Although it's no proof they are scam, it is something to think about.
So far I've been fully compounding,
but I think I will get some money out now and get at least my deposit back.
Just to be sure.

Posted by: golddust

Very wise to get your seed money out as soon as you can and if you continue to compound, make regular withdraws. What's the point in investing in HY programs if you only break even??

Posted by: EuroPhil

You did an excellent job golddust. I will withdraw my seeds asap.

There can be many legit reason for using anonymous domain registration: avoiding spam (if you don't register a domain anonymously, your email address will be posted on the web and is likely to be harvested by spammers; I personnaly use anonymous domain registration for that reason, because I have been spammed big time in the past), remaing under uncle sam's (and other "uncles") radar etc...

However if Katz has a history of hosting scams, then we have very good reason to worry...

Posted by: EuroPhil

I just made a post on VST forum and invited VSTrader admins to bring their 2 cents in the thread and we can expect some interesting developments in the coming 24 hours... Freedom of speech applies to everybody and I think they have the right to be aware of this thread and to comment. It would definately be unfair to talk behind their back without giving them a chance to justify themselves etc... If they are legit, then it will an opportunity for them to prove it.

Let's welcome them on the forum and listen to them objectively.

Posted by: golddust

They are welcome here. When admins join in to voice their situations, it always adds flavor to the forum. As a part of DD, it is always a good idea to send off a question to the admin concerning the program, to 1- see if they respond and 2- see if their response makes sense or BS.
Then go from there.
In this case, I did not go that far, but of course there are others who will welcome the opportunity to open a dialogue.

golddust

Posted by: EuroPhil

More than 24 hours have elapsed and no feedback from VST... I just emailed Andrea and invited her to take part in the thread.

Posted by: forwardone

We`d really welcome program Admins to come in and discuss their programs with members. Hopefully Andrea will come and visit soon.

Posted by: EuroPhil

Here is Andrea's reply posted on VSTrader's forum on 25 October:

"I have read through the thread at weblife.
I understand your speculations and concerns however I will not join you in your discussions there. Like I said before, we are going to continue on our current path.

Regards
Andrea"

Oh well.... Better wait and see... In the mean time there are better places to invest money... Better stick to HYIPs that are very unlikely to be scams.

Posted by: forwardone

Interesting.

Posted by: golddust

Quote:

I will not join you in your discussions there. Like I said before, we are going to continue on our current path.

The fact that she does not want to participate in discussion in light of valid concerns is quite a statement. I think I know this path...

golddust

Posted by: easymoney

Maybe you can try and put your concerns or questionsa into vstrader's forum.
See if you get an answer there.

Somehow I can imagine that they do not want to answer all questions on public forum.
Before you know it it will turn into a daytime job

Posted by: golddust

Quote:

Somehow I can imagine that they do not want to answer all questions on public forum.

... but NO questions were answered, however, I can appreciate what you've said. I am not an investor, and won't be an investor, so I do not feel the urge to have to follow-up with any of the concerns mentioned here. I hope someone who has a 'vested' interest will though. Curious to hear response, just the same.

golddust

Posted by: luckasus

site down!

Posted by: clifton

They have a new URL
https://www.vstrader.com/index.php

Posted by: candy

According to their forum Vstrader is experiencing some data base problems.
Weekly performance has not been posted yet.

Posted by: luckasus

ok! thanks!

Posted by: forwardone

This is a bit of a shock, an announcement on their site:-

Quote:

vstrader.com is closed.

The last two weeks were disastrous, we have have tried to recover but too much capital is lost.
We will not try to recover anymore, we will refund what it left.

The site is removed so you will not be able to login.
We will start refunding on Wednesday the 7th of December, it will take a while to go through all accounts.
Expect up to two weeks.

As soon as refunding is done we will remove this page.

All members will receive 18,7% of their current account balance.

Accounts with less than $10 will not be refunded.

/vstrader admin

Posted by: candy

Generous of them to keep for themselves amounts under $10.

Posted by: clifton

Honestly i think that all accounts under $10,000,000 won't be refunded

Posted by: forwardone

I`ve read somewhere of a payout being made today, but I don`t know how much for.