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Sunflower Seed

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Posted by: forwardone

http://www.sunflowerseed.org/

This program was launched a week ago, and is based in Germany. It`s a bit different to the usual.

Quote:

http://www.sunflowerseed.org/images/karsten.gifThat's me. My Name is Karsten. I live in Germany and I've been in the financial scene for more than 4 years now. At first, I made some mistakes and lost a lot money in HYIPs, just like you. Then, I found some very profitable and secure private programs that have changed my life. In the last two months it has come into my mind that the time is ripe to open my own reliable business that would provide a stable and productive income for everyone.


He invests in 15-20 online programs. $5 minimum deposit. 6% withdrawal fee.

What do you think?

Geoff



Posted by: forwardone

270 members in just 14 days is pretty good going. From what I`ve seen payouts have begun, although it`s early days.

There`s nothing to suggest to me that this young guy isn`t genuine, and hopefully for him and his members` sakes I hope it works out well for him.

The one concern I do have is that his program is based largely on other HYIPs.
Quote:
Investments:
I invest your money (and mine) in 15 to 20 online programs and 2 very stable offline ones. My downline is strong enough to generate a steady flow of daily income.
That means that success very much depends on those programs doing well and continuing to pay out. If not, then no doubt he`ll be able to ride out a few going down, but too many, at the same time, well that could result in his losses becoming his members losses. Are there 15 - 20 solid payers at the moment? If so he`ll have done well to find them.

Geoff



Posted by: forwardone

I saw this given in response to a question about the online programs the Admin has invested into.

Quote:
Q-10: Who are the 15 to 20 online programs I invest into?
A-10: At this time (2005-07-01) some of them are Premium-Division, Feederfund, Prime-Fund, 4xClub...
This list is not updated regularly! So don't be confused if some of them disappear.
A week`s a looong time in HYIPs.

Geoff



Posted by: forwardone

So why give false information about your name and address when registering I wonder?

It seems that someone has gone to the trouble of calling this Admin`s supposed phone number, and although the last name of the person who answered the phone is the same (Henke), that`s where the similarity ends.

No-one by the name of Karsten Kenke apparently lives at the address given.

From what I`ve read Karsten claims to take his privacy very seriously, (fair enough), and hasn`t disputed the claim that he gave false contact details.

Not a good sign where in this arena dishonesty has become the norm!

Geoff



Posted by: FutureGizmo

I value honesty too (although I know it's a rarity in this field), that's why I hesitated investing in this one as I already have my first instinct that the info this guy has posted in the site are just lies.

He should've said that he value his privacy and refused to provide any personal info rather than make up a false name and an identity. I never would invest in a program ran by a person who lies, cos I'd never know what and when the next lie would be.



Posted by: forwardone

They show 903 members, but a lower number of active members which is natural of course. They also have a forum which shows 904 registered users, so I guess that anyone signing up as a program member automatically becomes a forum user.

Anyone considering joining would be advised to first check the forum out to attempt to get any queries answered to their satisfaction.

http://forum.sunflowerseed.org/?ref=hyipdisc

Geoff



Posted by: Hardlyworkin

For those interested here is the who is information on them:



Domain ID106247277-LROR

Domain Name:SUNFLOWERSEED.ORG

Created On:05-May-2005 06:09:25 UTC

Last Updated On:05-Jul-2005 03:49:19 UTC

Expiration Date:05-May-2006 06:09:25 UTC

Sponsoring Registrarirect Information PVT Ltd. (R27-LROR)

Status:OK

Registrant IDI_1417229

Registrant Nameomains by Proxy, Inc.

Registrant OrganizationomainsByProxy.com

Registrant Street1:15511 N. Hayden Rd.

Registrant Street2:Ste 160

Registrant Street3:PMB 353

Registrant City:Scottsdale

Registrant State/Province:Arizona

Registrant Postal Code:85260

Registrant Country:US

Registrant Phone:+480.6242599

Registrant Phone Ext.:

Registrant FAX:

Registrant FAX Ext.:

Registrant Email:info@sunflowerseed.org

Admin IDI_1417229

Admin Nameomains by Proxy, Inc.

Admin OrganizationomainsByProxy.com

Admin Street1:15511 N. Hayden Rd.

Admin Street2:Ste 160

Admin Street3:PMB 353

Admin City:Scottsdale

Admin State/Province:Arizona

Admin Postal Code:85260

Admin Country:US

Admin Phone:+480.6242599

Admin Phone Ext.:

Admin FAX:

Admin FAX Ext.:

Admin Email:info@sunflowerseed.org

Tech IDI_1417229

Tech Nameomains by Proxy, Inc.

Tech OrganizationomainsByProxy.com

Tech Street1:15511 N. Hayden Rd.

Tech Street2:Ste 160

Tech Street3:PMB 353

Tech City:Scottsdale

Tech State/Province:Arizona

Tech Postal Code:85260

Tech Country:US

Tech Phone:+480.6242599

Tech Phone Ext.:

Tech FAX:

Tech FAX Ext.:

Tech Email:info@sunflowerseed.org

Name Server:NS1.SUNFLOWERSEED.ORG

Name Server:NS2.SUNFLOWERSEED.ORG



Posted by: forwardone

The site has been down for some time now. Whether this is all related to the DDoS attacks on certain servers I don`t know, but here`s an earlier post from the Admin.
Quote:
The site is up and running again.
In the moment the site redirects to google.com
You must wait some minutes to hours for the DNS change, then it will redirect to the original 'Sunflower Seed' webpage.

Please use this domain:
http://www.sunflowerseed.NET

@nemosquat:
Quote:
Ok some news from your website...
Beautiful redirect to google.com....

I think know you've been hacked....

No, I have redirected my site to google.com
I want testing if the DDOS goes trough my domain or directly to the IP address of the shared server hosting to determine if this DDOS is against me or against the webhosting company.

Geoff



Posted by: FutureGizmo

Still can't access the site til now. I'm not worried, I've got nothing in there anyway hehe..



Posted by: scrapage_online

see thread



http://goldentalk.com/t4757-10-1.html



Posted by: forwardone

The site`s back up. .org is now .net

http://www.sunflowerseed.net/

http://sunflowerseed.de.vu

Geoff



Posted by: betrdanevr

Quote:
Originally Posted by forwardone
They show 903 members, but a lower number of active members which is natural of course. They also have a forum which shows 904 registered users, so I guess that anyone signing up as a program member automatically becomes a forum user.

Anyone considering joining would be advised to first check the forum out to attempt to get any queries answered to their satisfaction.

http://forum.sunflowerseed.org/?ref=hyipdisc

Geoff
Yes, Geoff, anyone who signs up for the program becomes a forum user, because you have to sign up at the forum because therein lies your account access.

I also wanted to report that #2 and #3 programs, the high risk ones, have been discontinued effective today. Member funds are being transferred to programs #4 and #5 -- e.g., 4% weekly and 20% monthly.



Posted by: Trinary

Not sure what to think of it atm... glad most of my investment there already pays off..... :?



Posted by: forwardone

It seems to be a short period of time before he started to change the plans. How frequently will that have to happen I wonder?

Some dissatisfied members are requesting, and receiving, refunds.

Geoff



Posted by: clifton

I like the change (because it could mean the program is real), but not the way it is done. He should not change the plans for the existing deposits



Posted by: forwardone

Quote:
Well, I'm an original guy and want anytime tell the truth. And I decided I will do it now:
At the first I thought I will run a ponzi scheme. A little program which can last 3 or 4 month. I don't expected that 'Sunflower Seed' and me will grow so fast so big!
Be a Scammer, that run a ponzi scheme, seems not very difficult in this scene. Here are too much people who are willing to play this game. To gamble. It was my first business online and never done it before. So I hadn't any experience in that and how the people will look at me. But it seems a serious, trustfullness guy is what this scene have never seen and what the people need. And in the reallife I'm a really honest person too and want the best for everyone. But this scene makes it too easy to scam people. Its the internet, I never know anyone here personally. So its not too difficult to play the scammer, because of the morality.
But know 'Sunflower Seed' seems a very strong business and many people know this name in the scene. So I want make a real investment opportunity, but 'real' means any profit lower than 20% per month. Anyone here really believe he can make more than 20% per month?? Hey, wake up, folks!! Come down to the real world and don't dream a rich life with payouts like 5% per DAY?!?! Oh well... there are many naives in this scene, sorry to say. And thats the reason for the easy way to scamming.
Geoff



Posted by: forwardone

From his e-mail,

Quote:
Please keep in mind: I had to run away with the money, keep the $43,351.47 on my own bank account and live some good days with it. But this is not what I really want. I believe I can have more out of it if I run 'Sunflower Seed' further into the future. But with real investments and real profits.
Everyone will get a refund. Guaranteed. Because I have the complete details about the deposit of each member. Its only a matter of time.
Don`t you just love the cheek of the guy. If he`s off to enjoy the fruits of his scam, $43,351.47, how on earth does he plan to refund everyone?

Geoff



Posted by: Trinary

Well, he could just put the money into FXIG, or something, via feederfund... and come back, return everyone's money afterward :?

Doubt that though....



Posted by: forwardone

This guy isn`t going to go off, throw some money around and enjoy himself, which he`s already admitted he`s going to do, then return and start to repay members.

This one`s gone, and the only way Karsten will make any sort of comeback is with another program, but using a different name. Who knows, maybe he`s already had programs in the past under other names?

Geoff



Posted by: forwardone

Karsten`s actually posted since his announcement, attempting to pursuade members that he will be back, (what an honest Admin).

Quote:
I don't scammed before because it was my first business. And really, the picture was never online before!
You will hear from me again at August, 15th.
The money is not in my hands and not in my pockets on my vacation. Its in several ecurreny accounts.
I will be back, same name, same business, but with 'real' investing.


I don't run away, I will be back.


I will return. Yep, my grammatic is bad, I know. "Untill further notice" means around August 15th. How can I expect a explicit day to open 'Sunflower Seed' if I must prepare the financial things before?


Oh dear...I have never run any other HYIP yet! Except 'Sunflower Seed'. Why should I lie if I spread out this last newsletter
Make of it what you will.

Geoff



Posted by: FutureGizmo

Unfortunately, what I'm thinking is that yes, Karsten will be back..

.. to scam more people with his new program...



Posted by: Trinary

lol



Posted by: forwardone

Quote:
I don't scammed before because it was my first business. And really, the picture was never online before!
You will hear from me again at August, 15th.
The money is not in my hands and not in my pockets on my vacation. Its in several ecurreny accounts.
I will be back, same name, same business, but with 'real' investing.


Any moment now........!

Geoff



Posted by: Trinary

haha, we wish



Posted by: forwardone

Surprise surprise!! Karsten has returned and the forum is up and running again.

http://www.sunflowerseed.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=261


Quote:
I'm back from my little vacation trip here in germany.

Plans for the future:
- no refunds at this time.
- open a managed forex account.
- all members will get a profit out of the managed forex account and can withdraw their initial investment after a resonable time.
- the trades will be showed so anyone can be sure its real trading and how much profit will be earned.
- the site will be updated: new site, new layout and a new script
- will post regularly updates about the upcoming new structure.

More updates in the next days.

Geoff



Posted by: forwardone

So, Karsten has returned making promises of better things to come blah blah.

The question is- do you trust him now that he`s come back and said he`d get into Forex trading? If he does refund members would you want to take a chance with him ever again?

Judging by what I`m reading around the forums the vast majority aren`t too impressed with him, and are saying a resounding NO! Vote with your answer in our poll.

Geoff



Posted by: forwardone

Amazing post on the Sunflower forum.

Quote:
Thank you for coming back and restoring our faith in you. And, I'm sorry some people are so downright rude

It goes on but I got nauseous reading it.

I guess Karsten`s found at least one disciple then.

Geoff



Posted by: Trinary

haha forwardone



Posted by: rixzta

Karsten is nothing more than a "leech".

A blood sucking parasite that will continue his MO for as long as it is profitable to do so. Those that entertain his shenanigans will ultimately end up financing his next European Vacation.


Maybe we should "pre-empt" him and simply open up a "Lets send Karsten on another Holiday with our money" account !!!!!


And I believe that you left one option off of the poll.....

Additional Poll Option : Are you freaking serious ?!



Posted by: forwardone

Quote:
Plans for the future:
- no refunds at this time.
- open a managed forex account.
- all members will get a profit out of the managed forex account and can withdraw their initial investment after a resonable time.
- the trades will be showed so anyone can be sure its real trading and how much profit will be earned.
- the site will be updated: new site, new layout and a new script



What amuses me is that he believes that by simply opening up a managed forex account a profit is guaranteed to be made and he then intends refunding members (or so he claims). Doesn`t he realize that not everyone wins in forex, certainly not every time, there are sometimes losses, and gains aren`t always particularly high either?
Quote:
- the site will be updated: new site, new layout and a new script

add to that - new scam!!

Geoff



Posted by: Hardlyworkin

No one will see a penney more out of this.



Posted by: betrdanevr

Oh, I'm sure when it comes time to 'open up' again, it will be very clear that there will be NO guarantees.



Posted by: webladybug

IMHO

Anyone who would start a new business using the funds that he scammed from the members of his previous business is no one that anyone would want to do ANY business with.

He can say all he wants, "I'm really an honest guy," but the proof of any tree is the fruit that it bears. (Or maybe in this instance, the scamflowers on its branches.)

WLB



Posted by: tubman

If you go to his forum everyone is kissing up to him. It's really very sickening. I don't know if people are really that stupid or if they are playing along with him in the hope they get their money back. This guy is the worst type of scammer. He openly admits he scammed people than he's using their money to open a managed Forex account. He wrote a reply in his forum that he's going to change the name because Sunflowerseed is too associated with being a scam. Really? Never looked at it that way. What a loser!



Posted by: forwardone

Forum currently down.

Geoff



Posted by: Hardlyworkin

Quote:
Originally Posted by forwardone
Forum currently down.

Geoff


Maybe the admin got sick of all the kissing up too lol.



Posted by: forwardone

The poor guy`s probably exhausted from all his hard work since returning from his time away.

I bet he`s having to recover by taking another well earned break - this time permanently.

Geoff



Posted by: FutureGizmo

The SunflowerSeed/Karsten saga continues…



Posted by: forwardone

If our poll is anything to go by, which shows a clear majority for definitely not trusting this guy again, I suspect that Karsten`s realized he`s not going to get too many new suckers to join his latest scam.

Most of the posts I`ve read around the forums are anti Karsten, so if he`s not coming back then in one way that`s a good thing. On the other hand of course it`s a shame for those who lost money with him. I doubt though either way if they would have ever seen their funds again.

Somehow, whether he returns as `Karsten` or some other person, I doubt we`ve seen the last of him.

Geoff



Posted by: cralle

I'm afraid you are right, judged by the tone in his emails/posts.
He might very well return, he seems to think he has a legit "right" to scam people, who are easily scammed



Posted by: forwardone

After someone suggested contacting the person at an address listed as being Karsten`s here`s how he responded.
Quote:
Firstly:
I'm not this "Karsten Henke" with these address details. Please don't threaten the poor man at this address. I've changed these details in my domain some days after SunflowerSeed starts but I don't know why anyone must spread out these faked address details again and again.

Secondly:
Please stay be informed about 'Sunflower Seed' here:
http://www.sunflowerseed.org


Geoff



Posted by: forwardone

And the myth continues to be perpetuated by him.

Quote:
This might be true if you take any one you wish. But I'm searching for one with more than only 2% - 5% per month. And he must be serious and not one of these 'experimentators' which think they can test their new strategies (with a selfkilling leverage of 1:200) with the money of other peoples. And the most professional ones start managing only at 100k.

If you know one of the serious forex brokers, please tell. But phone calls are not possible because of my lack of english. Reading and writing is not a problem, but speaking. So no international phone calls are possible for me.
And there are one more problem: The most broker firms only accepts bank wire. So I need an offshore bank account.

Read - `Phone calls are not possible because I might be traced.`

Geoff



Posted by: forwardone

Posted on another forum earlier today by `Karsten`
Quote:

The old website was deleted by the webhosting company because I haven't paid the fees for longer time. But it was their fault: They haven't mailed me a reminder that the webspace will be deleted soon. So I decided I open a little status site on free space.


Your article about me is full of failures:
1. The website isn't offline, still here: http://www.sunflowerseed.org
2. I open a managed forex account and don't trade myself. I know something about fx trading but I'm not productive enough to do it myself.
3. Weekly payments are not very productive if you get profits out of forex. Monthly seems better to handle.
4. No plans for a new scam.

He doesn`t exactly inspire much confidence does he?

Geoff



Posted by: cralle

In a way he is funny...

But then again, it's really more like pathetic.
One should not laugh on behalf of others lunacy. Sorry, Karsten.

MHO.



Posted by: clifton

He is a nasty kid. I bet he is a teen, this is not an adult man's conduct



Posted by: clifton

Or maybe he is just an idiot



Posted by: rixzta

BIngo !



Posted by: betrdanevr

What a hoot. This child has nothing on the ball. Nothing at all.

His first concept sunk and the kid thinks not only should he have our funds to start a managed forex program, he knows diddly squat about how to do it!!

Somebody quick, find that kid a trader! Somebody who will screw Karstyn and return our money!



Posted by: candy

Somebody should tell him to put the funds in fxig.




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