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Posted by: forwardone

http://www.mpdw.com/ (Market Professionals Deliver Weekly)

On their Q and A page this is what they say about how they make their returns

Quote:

How does MPDW make profits?
We sell consulting for profits.
We place a certain percent of net sales into managed trade accounts.
We also sell ad space on our site.

Any input on this program, which I think is still in pre-launch, claiming to be a `private program`?

Geoff

Posted by: forwardone

This program is getting good reviews from it`s members.

Proof of trading, chat, good communication. We could do with more like this, although of course it`s still early days.

Geoff

Posted by: Trinary

This one is in my main safe portfolio, thanks to all it's transparency though still new. ^^
Let's see what the time bring I suppose.

Posted by: forwardone

Some comments made by the Admin, one of which I like is that they will put a cap on memberships/funds. I often think that programs grow too big then find they can`t handle all the extra work necessary to run the program effectively.

Quote:

Is simply that we have a cap on the amount of funds we will take in before we stop accepting new Member’s.

This cap is 1Mil Units and at the current Price of a gram of e-gold that would mean a little less then $14MIL USD.

If and or when I decide to retire I hope to have found someone within in MPDW to take on the role of admin.

I can not guarantee that MPDW will be around for ever as that would be just stupid of me to say.

What I can say is that we will do everything in our power’s to keep MPDW going for many years to come and as long as we have funds to Trade with then we will pay as promised.

No we are not incorporated yet but that is something that we are discussing among other things.

We will release more info as we implement these things

Geoff

Posted by: FutureGizmo

Yeah, I'm hearing good things about this one. But the entry fee is rather high and I don't have that much money right now so I think I'll pass.

Posted by: forwardone

They seem to be getting things nicely into shape.

Quote:

Hello Folks

What a week we had, thanks to TeamAaronShara they have brought with them many serious members and we should all thank them for there hard work in all they do with their newsletter and website.

I know most of you must have been watching the "Units Purchased" counter fly to almost double from the week before.

You will also notice that the reserve balance has also increased, this is one of our main goals to one day get the reserves balance to equal the member’s funds... That way everyone's funds are secured at all times.

We have paid the Weekly Percent and this week again it was 3%

Now just to make sure everyone is clear on the subject of Elite Member's

You can accumulate your Units to become an Elite Club
Member but only as long as there are available spots at the current Elite Level.

What I mean by this is that we have 30 Elite positions available to those who purchase 50 units or more.
Once we have those 30 then the minimum amount of units to become an Elite Club Member will increase and then once 10 New Elite Club Member positions are filled we will then increase it again and this will continue to happen every 10 new Elite Club Member positions that are filled until we have the Max of 100 Elite Member's.

We will notify the Club Member’s in an Update as well as the Member’s only forum when the minimum amount of Units to become an Elite Club Member changes

Now once you have purchased the minimum amount of units at the current level then we ask that you e-mail me at admin@mpdw.com and give me your username so that I can verify that you indeed have purchased the Units required to become an Elite Club Member.

Then I will manually upgrade you to an Elite Club Member and send you further details.

Keep in mind until we have 30 Elite Club member's the Elite Chat Room is open to existing Elite Club Members by appointment only so you will need to contact me for further details on this.

Hope this helps explain the Elite option a bit more!!

We do have some changes that should go into affect in the next few weeks.

What these changes will do is make MPDW a much more Private Club, they are necessary for the structure we are in the process of setting up.

I just wanted to give everyone a heads up on this so you are not all surprised with the changes Coming.

Believe me, these changes will improve your overall opportunity with MPDW!

There is something I need everyone to do.

I need everyone to log into their MPDW Back Office and add your e-gold account # into your profile.

Again.... I need EVERYONE to update there e-gold account # in their MPDW Back Office...Otherwise we can not pay you

Now that we have that out of the way....

I hope everyone here at MPDW had a Wonderful Weekend and I look forward to having you all stop by the Member's Only Chat Room this week while it is open

__________________
Warmest Regards
MPDW Team

Geoff

Posted by: Hardlyworkin

I've heard a lot of good things about them. From what I've seen they do keep their members well informed and have good communication.

Posted by: fundraiser

Their offer is very simple, spend 5 grams of e-gold minimum (5 units) and receive a variable weekly percent return from 0-15% on each spend. You may withdraw returns once a month at your own discretion. You may sell back your units once a month at your own discretion.

5.25 grams in e-gold is around $70 (varies according to value of gold), this is minimum investment + small admin charge.

When reserves balance is to equal the member’s funds, everyone's funds are secured at all times. Communication is excellent with all members. Elite members, with 50 units or more, can follow trades as they happen. There will be some changes soon, which will make MPDW a much more Private Club.

Posted by: forwardone

The program is temporarily relocated to http://mpdw.net/ due to a DDoS atack at .com

Geoff

Posted by: betrdanevr

It'll be interesting to see if the admin can shift his focus from the marketing and cycler efforts in the past. A lot will hinge on his choice of traders, one would think.

Good luck to everyone invested.

Posted by: forwardone

There are a few adjustments announced by the Admin.

Quote:

Hello Folks,

I know some of you are wondering what is going on so let
me Explain.

Today I met with some very important and intelligent
advisors who contacted me recently about our Club
and from this meeting with them I truly feel we all
have an incredible future ahead of us here at MPDW.

MPDW is officially incorporating offshore and we will
change the invitation process and the way member's are
allowed to advertise on the new server.

What this means is Effective immediately we have become a
Totally Private Club and we are not taking any more funds
or new members until all of this has been finalized and we
have the new site up on the new Server.

So please for now stop all advertisements that you may
have going.

This next week I will meet with these gentleman again and
we will probably finalize everything then and I will have
more information as to the time frame for us to get
everything ready.

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Everything that is currently in trade will continue
as always, and we will continue to build our reserves...
nothing will change there. We have just disabled the join
page and the purchase page so NO NEW purchases can be
made.

Keep in mind that trading will continue just like it has
and we will run the Club as we have from day one and all
existing member's who have made there purchases will
continue to be paid their weekly...

In fact we are having another great week and we expect the
same or more returns as last week.

So, far all of you Lucky Member's who made your purchases
Congrats!! as you will be the only one's who will reap the
rewards while we get our selves structured properly.

For the ones who did not get in on time I am sorry that
this has all happened and just hang tight as we will get
this all sorted out and back on track shortly and when we
open back up to new Member's we will be stronger then ever
and this time we will have all the bases covered.

So stick around and witness 1st hand what we are going to
be doing and if you just want talk and keep yourself
updated stop by the Member's Only Chat Room during the
scheduled times.

=====

By doing all of this I am protecting the club's integrity
and at the same time establishing a much stronger legal
base.

Once again thanks for all your understanding during this
time, I will keep you all updated as things happen.
__________________
Warmest Regards
MPDW Team

Geoff

Posted by: damien_k

paid today

Posted by: damien_k

3.1% this week....

Posted by: tulasu

Since I first heard of MPDW, I've had a consistently good rapport with the administrator and consider this opportunity one of The Best available right now.

Posted by: golddust

The number of units one must have to become an elite member is 100 units; the min number to join is 5 units. There was a rumor that the min # of units to join had jumped significantly, but that is not so.

I am a happy camper/member; I feel safe as one can possibly feel in this arena. MPDW is not a typical group and I think it will last quite a while.

golddust

Posted by: damien_k

more than 4% this week....

Posted by: forwardone

Let`s move this one to the next level up.

Posted by: golddust

Posted by: tulasu

Well, I haven't figured out what the levels are around here, yet, but UP must be good!

Tulasu

Posted by: forwardone

Quote:

Originally Posted by tulasu

Well, I haven't figured out what the levels are around here, yet, but UP must be good!

Tulasu

Let`s think of this folder as the `Crème de la Crème.`

Posted by: Hardlyworkin

Geeze I actually joined this one and forgot all about it lol. Guess I'll look into funding it now.

Posted by: golddust

HW, first you'd better look and see if you still have access. They removed non-invested members some time ago. If that is the case, contact Joe the admin, he will work with you to reinstate , or you'll have to signup again.

golddust

Posted by: damien_k

very good to be in this one....I was a bit dubious at the start, but now after 4 months I'm pretty confident for the future....very good feeling.....

Posted by: golddust

The price of gold is expected to rise over the long term, (next 2-3yrs), but naturally will have some stagnant times. Today the price of gold jumped to $15.02/gm. If you are looking to join with a min of 5 gms(units), it will cost $79.01 including admin fees. If you are looking to sell units, this would be a profitable time.

golddust

Posted by: Imotep

The site is down

Posted by: forwardone

Saw this elsewhere.

Quote:

Hello Everyone,

I wanted to let everyone know that some people have reported having trouble accessing the site . In some cases it appears intermittent. Perhaps it is a server issue. It is still be investigated.

You can stop by the Chat Room as it is not on the same server and it is part of the back up communications.

http://67.19.231.218/v4/login.asp?r=287e55ba

Thanks for your patience and understanding.

Best of Returns

Dreamdrifter

Posted by: forwardone

Quote:

Hello Again everybody!

The site is up again http://www.thehyipforum.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Thank you again for being so patient and supportive!

and IF YOU EMAIL IN THE LAST 12 HOURS OR SO to Admin@MPDW.net PLEASE RESEND! Thanks

Best of Returns

Dreamdrifter

Posted by: forwardone

No disappointment with this one, here`s a Returns Table for the program-

http://webpages.charter.net/rawgamer/returns.jpg

Posted by: clifton

I think this definitely needs to be posted here. Copied from HYIP, hyi-center's post:

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The reserves they talk about are not really reserves. They take 25% of
each deposit and put that to one side. And supposedily to trade the rest
(75%), at least that's what he tells others.
Fact is, they keep 25% to one side. ponzi 50%, and use the other 25% to
supposedly trade with.

--- here he talks about it being a ponzi.
hyicenter (6/26/2005 1:26:44 AM): i'm just playing around with adobe right
now.. following some tutorials to make sites like those templates we've
seen online. so far so good.
Tim Hayes (6/26/2005 1:39:32 AM): well you can always use an alias to put
URl in your forum
hyicenter (6/26/2005 1:42:32 AM): when you're ready with the site, let us
know, i'll let hte members know what it is via a newsletter, then place
link up on the site.
Tim Hayes (6/26/2005 1:42:57 AM): well site is ready but I am not gonna
launch yet
hyicenter (6/26/2005 1:44:41 AM): oh.. u designed it already.
Tim Hayes (6/26/2005 1:44:52 AM): been building it for a month
hyicenter (6/26/2005 1:45:44 AM): wots it look like.
Tim Hayes (6/26/2005 1:46:00 AM): www.mpdw.com
hyicenter (6/26/2005 1:47:54 AM): looks nice add the left side column
graphic in the events part and the bit under it to make it match the right
side black graphic column. then raise the bottom footer up a bit so the
two black graphic lines meet up with each other.
hyicenter (6/26/2005 1:49:04 AM): what does MPDW stand for?
Tim Hayes (6/26/2005 1:49:17 AM): written rigth at the top
hyicenter (6/26/2005 1:49:30 AM): d'oh.. didn't see that.
Tim Hayes (6/26/2005 1:49:43 AM): 50% traded
Tim Hayes (6/26/2005 1:49:51 AM): 50% ponzied
===============

And here's a note to prove to you they NEVER made 197% last year.
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hyicenter (6/26/2005 2:02:05 AM): FAQ page.. the word Payout should be two
words, not one: Pay out.
Tim Hayes (6/26/2005 2:02:57 AM): check your dictionary
hyicenter (6/26/2005 2:03:37 AM): no need, it's two words.
hyicenter (6/26/2005 2:04:09 AM): funny how you found the 197% return last
year MPDW made... let me guess, you found it off of gold fellers site.
http://goldfellers.com/goldfellers/archives.htm
Tim Hayes (6/26/2005 2:04:38 AM): i took info off a bunch of sites
hyicenter (6/26/2005 2:04:46 AM): thought so...lol
Tim Hayes (6/26/2005 2:04:59 AM): always do
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Unfortunately there is no way to check it it is true.

Posted by: forwardone

On the other hand this post by Rixzta, GH Admin is quite interesting, referring to HYI-Center`s initial enthusiasm for MPDW.

http://www.hyipdiscussion.com/priva...ed=1#post124031

Quote:

Well isn't that interesting?

I find it absolutely amazing that you have managed to refer people to yet another scam. (as you call it)

Your very good at this apparently...........the thing I find most interesting is that you are screaming extremely loud about missing out on your referral commission (but no real commitment from yourself

Quote:
Originally Posted by HYI-Center
MARKET PROFESSIONALS DELIVER WEEKLY:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://www.mpdw.net/?hyicenter GEEZ.....is that YOUR referral ID ?
0-15% per wek.
Weekly annouced returns.
1 withdrawal per month.
1% referral on deposits/loans on a 3 level downline. (must be a spending member before receiving such benefits).
Referral units gained are not refundable/sellable. Only the announced percentages on those total referrals are allowed to be withdrawn.
Any one can sell back their units at any time.
When these units have been sold back the member requesting, profits from reserves are added to a bonus account, and you earn from these too.
Minimum is 5 Grams of gold. Max 500grams of gold.
Max units to be sold back to the program is, ready... ONE MILLION UNITS!

Here's the best bit. Advice and or conferance meetings are held via an Elite membership, real live conferances where you see these trades in action that show you how to make profitable trades, I'm not too sure if this is included in the membership or if a fee is paid to receive such information.

All in all, there's a fair bit of transparancy here about how trades are made and how you can learn from it to profit yourselves going solo.

http://www.mpdw.net/?hyicenter http://www.hyipdiscussion.com/image...ies/biggrin.gif

MPDW Archive can be found here
http://www.hyi-center.net/listings/viewtopic.547.html

And then:

Quote:
Originally Posted by HYI-Center
Quote:
Originally Posted by MPDW
Hello Hyi-Center,

We sent out an update over two months ago that we would be deleting all free Members in preparation for the New year so we have only the people who wish to be with us.

Then I guess you and Tim have gone back on your promise then. Fine.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MPDW
This is not in the terms and does not have to be.

WRONG! Of course it does. Terms of service are a contract. Not some update you send out with a bunch of nonsense exerpts from passages, or some website.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MPDW
If you take the time to read the update in our Member's Only Forum you would know this.

Maybe if I wasn't deleted I could.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MPDW
Also it has been stated from day one that any and all Bonus Balance would be forfeited and placed into the Reserve Balance once a member had been deleted from our Club.

Effectively you have stolen from a lot of people. There are no claims on the website any where, or in the terms stating such actions being made! Thus, you have stolen from those people who never made a spend.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MPDW
We gave everyone plenty of time to make a minimum purchase which is less then $90 for 5 units and I am sorry but you have said since Late August you would not put any funds into our Club so why should you be rewarded for bringing people to a Club you your self to do not believe in.

Oh, so sponsoring 29 people wasn't good enough? So that gives you the right to steal over 10grams of gold from me? Ok, I'll give you a choice, you either reinstate my account, or pay the dues owed to me, or I will make sure that MPDW finishes in its tracks and force people to get Forex records of the FULL amount that you say you're trading, which I know you're not.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MPDW
To me that is immoral and unethical to say the least.

You can talk, it's unethical to steal people's money that they rightly earned. If you were really trading then stealing/deleting people's accounts wouldn't need to be a measure that you chose to take. Why delete a person's account who rightfully earned those monies inviting others. You think people invite others to your program for the sake of it. Get real.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MPDW
You really need to stop and think before you speak cause you have been banned from our Chat room for threatening our Mod’s/Staff.

LOL, I never threatened Dream wotever her name is. I threatened YOU!
You either pay up now. Or I'm going to make sure that every member of your program gets the information they need about the trading that you say you do. One member in question has already said that you're not trading the full amount, just a small amount. Prolly because it's always been Tim's attitude to only trade a small amount and not the entire lot. In his mind trading $500 out of $500,000 is still trading. But you and I both know it's not.

Not one person in your elite program have seen the full balance being traded, NOT ONE! Hmm, I wonder why!

Quote:
Originally Posted by MPDW
If you would have waited till I got home from Picking up my Christmas Tree or e-mailed me maybe we could have worked this out as I am an easy going guy but when you threaten my Mod’s and or Staff and me then I will not waste my time with you.

I did email you, but as per normal, no response! And I never threatened your mods, get your facts right. It was you, I gave you an altamtum, you either pay up, or pay the concenquences. And until that time, I suggest for EVERYONE to get their money out ASAP!

Quote:
Originally Posted by MPDW
Anyways just wanted to set this straight before it got out of hand so thanks fort listening

http://www.hyipdiscussion.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

Me too, before too many people spend in your so called trading program!

Oh, by the way. Why was it you placed on your site that you earned 197% when you know very well that you and Tim never. Eh? I know where you got the information from, Gold Fellers web site history page. I know because Tim told me!
So why resort to such levels of taking info from other web sites?

And also, why is it that you have your site registered to some islamic residential address?
And why is it that your phone number is registered to a Fred Cutler!
Seems all strange to me, not trading the full amounts in the program, not allowing members to see the balance, taking info from another site to suit your own. Stealing from members. Fine set up you have there. Just wish I knew about you sooner or I wouldn't of even joined!

So, my next step is, to call the authorities and have you investigated.

So members, ask yourself this, why would a program have some stupid clause of no refunds? If they were trading they could give you a refund, no questions asked. It seems to me they need your money to pay to others because they don't have the nerve to trade 1/2mil, or even close to it.

So make sure that you take your money out people.

It seems to me that EVERY time you cannot get your own way you threaten to bring down a program (unseccessfully of course....because your words are never backed up with any substance at all.....except your selfish and persistant drivel) It's time you grew up and take account of the fact that you are simply a joke! Nothing more than a pimple on the ass of serious HYIPers. Do us a favour and ************

You get the gist huh ?

Maybe we could get YOU to trade for us instead ? LMFAO

Posted by: Zimbu

Methinks someone has an agenda....

Posted by: golddust

The problem is HYI-Center seems to have an "agenda" with almost everything that does not go his way, (which is just about everything).
I take anything posted by HYI-center with a grain of salt. I am more interested in knowing if Tim Hayes really communicated with him as posted? For someone who functions as "Market Expert" at MPDW, discretionary conversations require a good judge of character.
Certainly don't want to start a pissing match over 'who said what', but I hope that Tim will respond to the truth of these comments.

golddust

Posted by: Zimbu

The admin at MPDW has shared an interesting bit of evidence with me that seems to show that HYI-Center's post of a supposed conversation with Tim Hays was almost certainly made up. I have been asked not to divulge the actual nature of the evidence, but it's clear at this point that the posted 'conversations' by HYI-Center could not have been copied from the IM service as he claims...

Posted by: clifton

Actually Rabbit from HYIPD has seen the same "proof" and he said it's very weak.

Posted by: Zimbu

My understanding is that HYI-Center claimed to have copied and pasted the text into his message and the evidence shows that he didn't. At best that would mean he typed all of that in and created the spelling errors in his post... I leave others to speculate why he wouldn't have just copied and pasted or why he said that he did...

Posted by: clifton

I don't understand what evidence can proove this. A screenshot? Screenshots can be easy faked. They can show you everything for "evidence" in the same way like hyic posted something and claims it is a proof about something.

Posted by: Zimbu

HYI-Center has a long history of disruptive, dishonest behaviour. You are free to believe who you choose...

Posted by: clifton

You are right, Zimbu, i just don't understand why they should try to proof the unprovable thing. By the way MPDW has also history of dishonest behaviour. So i don't trust any of the two sides.

Posted by: Zimbu

Truth be known, there is almost never any real proof of anything in HYIPs, but it's important to at least assess evidence and credibility according to one's own judgement...

I'm not aware of any dishonest behavior on the part of MPDW, so if you don't mind, perhaps you could share the evidence you have to support that statement?

Posted by: golddust

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zimbu

Truth be known, there is almost never any real proof of anything in HYIPs, but it's important to at least assess evidence and credibility according to one's own judgement...

I'm not aware of any dishonest behavior on the part of MPDW, so if you don't mind, perhaps you could share the evidence you have to support that statement?

Having seen the 'dialogue' posted at HYIPD, I think it is all a little wierd. HYI-Center authors this to discredit MPDW when program admin doesn't go along with him. OK, but why does he create a dialogue with Tim H?

I too am interested in any information concerning MPDW's 'dishonest behavior'.

golddust

Posted by: clifton

Don't know if you both remember, but MPDW promissed proof of trading for elite members. I don't know about any elite members who has ever seen such a proof. Imho this is a blatant lie and I will never trust MPDW after that.

Posted by: Zimbu

Are you an elite member, clifton?

Posted by: clifton

I am not a member anymore, Zimbu, i sold back my units. But i know from a trusted elite member, that a trading proof was never shown to him.

Posted by: Zimbu

Curious.... I'll look into it...

Posted by: golddust

Also, MPDW has an active forum and live "Help". Did you use these as methods to investigate this further?

Your comments are noteworthy, but I would hate to see any miscommunications that would disparage the program without a "response" from the admin in this regard.

golddust

Posted by: clifton

Lynn, Devilboy (the member in mention) discussed this with Kim and Joe in HYIPD. He very clearly explained that Tim offered to show him unrelated to MPDW account. Kim and Joe just avoid answering this issue since they were too busy to explain why MPDW will not allow a third party (for example SensaTrust) audit.

Posted by: golddust

Very interesting Clifton! I am surprised that this is just now making 'the news'. Did this happen recently, or has it been 'covered' up until this point.
Seems to me someone has some 'splaining to do.

golddust

Posted by: clifton

It has been heavily discussed in HYIPD, Lynn, guess i have missed to update here. The discussion was 2-3 weeks ago, but as far as i know there is no progress.

Posted by: golddust

Thanks Clifton, I haven't spent any time over at HYIPD since the holidays, I guess I'm overdue to get caught up and all the details on this topic.
It's good that you posted this here; this is very controversial information about a very popular program. I am wondering though, how much actual trading is needed for MPDW to support their growth, since it is actually units of gold that make up some ROI.

golddust

Posted by: LikeItIs

Quote:

Originally Posted by golddust

Thanks Clifton, I haven't spent any time over at HYIPD since the holidays, I guess I'm overdue to get caught up and all the details on this topic.
It's good that you posted this here; this is very controversial information about a very popular program. I am wondering though, how much actual trading is needed for MPDW to support their growth, since it is actually units of gold that make up some ROI.

golddust

golddust This copy of a post might interest you.

A couple of you have brought up about a blog/site that has a warning about MPDW. It was written by Clifton. One member PM'd Clifton(Tony) and asked for proof.

By the way as I type this I am chatting in the room with a member who was at Joe's house and has seen proof of trading via the small account. He even rode in Joe's truck.

The member ask to stay annonomous. I edit the member's name out of this.

http://www.mpdw.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=449&start=27

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Re: Proof

You are not allowed to post someone's PRIVATE MESSAGES without permission

Forwardone and others this is posted in the MPDW Forum. You said it so life up to it. Are you ashamed to have your honest information here? Is this mod using his athority for self serving purposes?
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Posted by: LikeItIs

Quote:

Originally Posted by clifton

Don't know if you both remember, but MPDW promissed proof of trading for elite members. None of the elite members has ever seen such a proof. Imho this is a blatant lie and I will never trust MPDW after that.

I have heard people have seen the trading. Remeber this is only Clifton's opinion. NONE???? Blatant lie?

Posted by: golddust

Thanks likeitis. I also found that this thread helped clarify the perks for the "elite" MPDW members and I feel there have been some misunderstood provisions.
http://www.thehyipforum.com/showthr...DW%22#post35896

I hope that this thread will help to dispel any rumor of "dishonest" behavior on the part of MPDW. I suspect that if likewise 'elite' members feel they were mislead about Trader Reports, this would be the time to clarify.

Makes me wonder how many "elite members" there are?...

golddust

Posted by: clifton

LikeItIs, i am not sure what you are trying to prove by posting the PMs. By the way posting PMs without someone's permission is a very low action. Now ask for permission and i will post them myself. I have never claimed that i have proof about MPDW being scam. I told i have several red flags, but i will not share them with anyone. I shared only with Rabbit from HYIPD.

MPDW have promissed trading proof for elite members. They have just changed their rules now and claim they never promissed in the past. But it was there. If you don't believe me, ask Devilboy. I don't give a dime for MPDW so i don't care if you trust me. Until MPDW does not show a proof for trading or get a SensaTrust audit, it is in my ponzi scam list.

Posted by: LikeItIs

Devilboy is one member. Many members have seen proof of trading. You say no one has and this is wrong. Are you uninformed or are you spread lies intentionally?

I have never seen where it said MPDW was going to show all trading. If you beleive only Devilboy you are only seeing what you want and not the truth.
MPDW openly said they changed Elite.

You said

Quote:

Originally Posted by clifton

I don't give a dime for MPDW

How many times did you join MPDW?

Posted by: forwardone

I must admit I`m surprised at how long this issue has been running over at HYIPD. Who said what and when etc etc is notoriously difficult to pin down. Personally I`m comfortable with MPDW and aren`t swayed one way or the other by what is rapidly becoming OTT debate.

I never really took much of an interest when the program was first launched, I think GH came out with the news at first, now of course it`s become a household name in a number of forums. I suppose any that did take a close interest at the beginning might have a complaint if their recollection of what was stated is different to what`s going on now.

But, the current position of the program has been clearly stated by the MPDW Admin, and just like any other program people have a choice whether they wish to join or not based on current information.

Posted by: clifton

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Originally Posted by LikeItIs

Many members have seen proof of trading.

Prove it please.

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Originally Posted by LikeItIs

How many times did you join MPDW?

Only once and i sold back. Why are you asking?

Posted by: LikeItIs

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Originally Posted by clifton

Only once and i sold back. Why are you asking?

This might just help with accuracy and honest issues. Are you saying you did not have accounts under two usernames clifton and mbongwe ?

Posted by: clifton

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Originally Posted by LikeItIs

This might just help with accuracy and honest issues. Are you saying you did not have accounts under two usernames clifton and mbongwe ?

Mbongwe account was of another person from HYWD which we used some time ago when believed MPDW is real. That was a free account which lost all referal earnings but i never made an issue of that unlike hyi-center.
Just to remind you and moremoe this thread is about discussing MPDW, not myself.

Posted by: LikeItIs

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Originally Posted by clifton

Okay you had two accounts. Thank you for being honest. I wish you had of made the minimum purchase too. Maybe you could have done so from you earnings on your referals. But that is hindsight.

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Originally Posted by clifton

I am not a member anymore, Zimbu, i sold back my units. But i know from a trusted elite member, that a trading proof was never shown to him.

You have made this issue about you. The reason your credablity is being addressed is simple. You are putting your opinion of MPDW all around. You are attacking MPDW's credibility.

People need to look at the credibility of the person making statements. People need to know the motivation of the source.

They need to look at the credibility of the information. They need facts not just I thinks. I spent time looking for the facts when everything seemed so mixed up. I looked for consistancy, honesty and fact.

I beleive as Forwardone said

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Originally Posted by forwardone

just like any other program people have a choice whether they wish to join or not based on current information.

I just beleive it should be on the merrits for and against a program, factual information and not on "I thinks"

Posted by: moremoe

Clifton, it IS about MPDW and unfortunately your opinion, which is based on nothing of substance but disguised as fact.

Posted by: clifton

Moremoe, my statements are based entirely on facts. You don't accept them and this is entirely your problem. I also think that your post are based on nothing, but i don't loose other people's time with my opinion about you. You just repeat the same thing again and again. This has zero value.

Posted by: forwardone

We`ll tolerate most things here, but draw the line at personal attacks. I appreciate that this is to a great extent open to interpretation, so common sense has to prevail.

I`m of the opinion that if any member makes a statement that he should be able, as far as is possible, to back it up. We all know that in the HYIP Arena there has and always will be a certain amount of supposition. As I`ve already stated when we get into who said what in the past it can get weighed down without ever getting to the bottom of the matter.

What posts there are in this thread right now will remain, no-one will be deleting any of them. I honestly can`t even understand why anyone is pursuing this matter anymore. If any member here doesn`t think that MPDW has acted honestly that`s their right, but I don`t think rehashing it over and over is of any point. What`s done at any other forum is down to the admin over there.

So, please, let`s keep this thread civil so that we can talk about the program, not the past.

Posted by: clifton

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Originally Posted by moremoe

Clifton, it IS about MPDW and unfortunately your opinion, which is based on nothing of substance but disguised as fact.

Now be kind enough and explain me where exactly am i disguising an opinion as fact. If you can't, better stop your pointless personal attacks. If you want to defend MPDW you need to show some facts, not to attack me and repeat same thing over and over again.

I really feel extremly offended by your posts and your improper language. I completely disagree with your point of view but i never allow myself to attack you personally, like you do. The forums are for discussion and everyone is free to agree or disagree with others opinion. But i am not interested in personal wars, nor i am here to be insulted. So i will never answer your post on this forum anymore.

Posted by: golddust

OK, I'm just interested in the facts, and I 'think' it comes down to just a few things:

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Quote = Clifton: But i know from a trusted elite member, that a trading proof was never shown to him.

Clifton, was this "trusted elite member" - you? If so, did you request trading proof and was your request denied? When was this?

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Quote = Clifton: MPDW have promissed trading proof for elite members. They have just changed their rules now and claim they never promissed in the past. But it was there... Until MPDW does not show a proof for trading or get a SensaTrust audit, it is in my ponzi scam list.

MPDW has administrative 'license' to change their rules as they see fit. Even if some 'elite' members did see "proof of trading" when offered, new rules preclude new 'elite' members of the same priviledge. Not showing proof to you, or anyone else, does not make the program a "ponzi".
You may believe this, but you need to show facts from which one can reasonably conclude a program is a "ponzi". Other than not showing you "proof of trading", can you provide facts of ponzism?

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Quote = likeitis: Many members have seen proof of trading. You say no one has and this is wrong....I have never seen where it said MPDW was going to show all trading.... MPDW openly said they changed Elite.

I have yet to see any 'elite' members posts to indicate they have "seen proof". You may know this to be fact, and if it is, please state that. No identities need to be revealed, in fact, I really don't care except to know - does the "proof of trading" really exist? If so, likeitis indicates some members have seen it... If no members really have seen "it", and MPDW has changed its rules so that proof is no longer made available, then perhaps there is no "proof of trading" afterall.

This is all "what ifs?" and I pose these questions to explore the possibility that 'proof of trading' may not exist...
This still does not make MPDW a ponzi, IMO,however members should not be misled about 'proof of trading' if it does not exist, and this would be a good reason for MPDW to change the rules about access.

This does not come down to the credibility of any indivdual posting here, but reflects on the credibility of MPDW, which is perhaps the cause for all this discussion.

golddust

Posted by: LikeItIs

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Originally Posted by clifton

Thanks Forwardone

Some good news from Clifton too.

Posted by: clifton

Lynn,

1. The trusted elite member was Devilboy, have 2-3 posts here, but is quite respected on TG and HYIPD

2. I am not saying that the change on their page proves they are ponzi. I am saying that they are lying. As far as i got it, Kim is trying to explain they never offerred a trading proof. This is not true. Now if someone thinks I can have a week memory or be sick of Alzheimer, this is another point. But i remember seing this and i feel really insulted when someone mistrust my honesty just because they don't remember the same fact.

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Originally Posted by golddust

This does not come down to the credibility of any indivdual posting here, but reflects on the credibility of MPDW, which is perhaps the cause for all this discussion.

This is probably the smartest thing in the last 2-3 pages. Actually it even wasn't the main point in the discussion. Zimbu said that hyi-center has dishonest history, i sai that MPDW has dishonest history too, so i don't think i should trust either of them.

If we should go back to the original issues, IMHO we should start from these 2 points:

1. Is the conversation between hyi-center and Tim true or it is a composed tale?

2. What if the above is true and what if it is false.

Now this could turn into a very interesting discussion if we try to stay away from personal attack and littleness about anyone's choice of words.

Posted by: moremoe

Clifton, enough about 'personal attacks' You've been taken to task about this before, as it is the incessant position that you take when you don't like or trust a program. Without proof you nonetheless present the argument that a program is a scam, etc. and repeat that whinge over and over and over again

Generally in my posts I express one or more of the following: a) what are clearly my likes or dislikes about a program; b) the need for a clear seperation between truth and mere opinion, or c) a complaint about those who have nothing new to add, yet who keep on hammering the same unsubstantiated rant. Devilboy has had the same tendancies but even he takes a break from it now and then, and to his credit he has actually provided some USEFUL information from time to time...

In HyipD I don't have to see your posts, so I don't respond to them directly. I would appreciate being able to do the same here. In any case, I will drop this and let you have the last word.

Posted by: forwardone

There are clearly sharp divisions between those who believe this program to be a ponzi, and others who believe it to be genuine. I`m not too sure now that anything further can be said that hasn`t already (though I`m sure someone will prove me wrong.)

I`d really like to get back to discussing MPDW future policy, interest payouts etc whenever possible.

Posted by: Zimbu

For the record, I recall MPDW stating that elite members would be allowed direct contact with the trader (there was only one then, I believe). I don't recall any mention of a promise to show proof of trading or access to trading accounts. This is just my memory, not known fact or proof.

Posted by: golddust

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Originally Posted by forwardone

There are clearly sharp divisions between those who believe this program to be a ponzi, and others who believe it to be genuine. I`m not too sure now that anything further can be said that hasn`t already (though I`m sure someone will prove me wrong.)

I`d really like to get back to discussing MPDW future policy, interest payouts etc whenever possible.

I guess I'd have to say that whether or not MPDW is a ponzi, or acted with conduct inappropriate, is 'discussion', as those possibilities would influence the decisions of investors and MPDW, going forward. I don't 'think' the case for ponzi or dishonest behavior has at all been proven nor has proof of trading been established.

golddust

Posted by: clifton

Lynn is right, such a discussion is very important since it leads to a decision for every investor if they want to continue invest in MPDW, invest more or get out their money.
However i see what Geoff means - we are going nowhere by arguing was there some text on the site or not. I really found hyi-center's post very interesting, thats why i posted it here hoping it can be analyzed. Instead of this the thread turned into peronal war and digging onto mine, hyi-center's and MPDW's general credibility. Hence i am dropping from this discussion until either someone decide to debate about the hyi-center's post itself or new facts about the program arize.

Posted by: forwardone

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Our traders had a Great week in trading: 4.15%

Posted by: clifton

Not trying to be a smartass but after being accused several times I have to show that i am telling the truth:

http://www.investbox.com/hyips/mpdw.php

4: If you become an Elite member We show you the proof we are doing REAL Trading in a live Conference room with Live Desktop.

And confirmation that this is not the only place where this interview is given:

http://www.google.com/search?hs=ewr...%22&btnG=Search

Hopefully this clarifies it and proves what i said few pages ago. And hopefully this is my last post in this thread until new facts arise.

Posted by: forwardone

Let`s try to put this to bed with a poll JUST FOR ELITE MEMBERS OF MPDW.

http://www.web-life.org/vb/showthread.php?t=7282

Posted by: golddust

Good research from you Clifton; I can tell that your personal creditbility matters....
GREAT week for MPDW

....
Good idea to do a poll, now we can have some idea as to the number of 'elite' members there are...

golddust

Posted by: Zimbu

It's good to see some actual quotes to support the assertions. Now on to the business at hand...

As Lynn said it was another good week at MPDW, but I'm curious if anybody has any comments about the announcement that earnings updates will be moved back from Saturdays to Mondays... Seems like a minor inconvenience to me, but something I can easily live with...

Posted by: LikeItIs

The returns are good. I really like repurchasing each week.

Posted by: LikeItIs

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4: If you become an Elite member We show you the proof we are doing REAL Trading in a live Conference room with Live Desktop.

It says proof of REAL Trading. Not proof of all trading accounts.

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and Tim Hays The Market Professional

Note the spelling of Hays . It is not Hayes that is shown in supposed "proof of a personal conversation".

Good investigating.

Posted by: LikeItIs

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Originally Posted by golddust

Good research from you Clifton; I can tell that your personal creditbility matters....
GREAT week for MPDW

....
Good idea to do a poll, now we can have some idea as to the number of 'elite' members there are...

golddust

Research is good. Observation and attention to deal it terrific. What a wicket web we weave.....

http://www.hyipdiscussion.com/135647-post571.html

I think this should shed some light on personal creditbility.

Posted by: forwardone

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Originally Posted by Zimbu

It's good to see some actual quotes to support the assertions. Now on to the business at hand...

As Lynn said it was another good week at MPDW, but I'm curious if anybody has any comments about the announcement that earnings updates will be moved back from Saturdays to Mondays... Seems like a minor inconvenience to me, but something I can easily live with...

Didn`t I read elsewhere that this isn`t the case?

Posted by: cyrano

I believe Zimbu mixed up MPDW with GF.

cyrano

Posted by: forwardone

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Originally Posted by cyrano

I believe Zimbu mixed up MPDW with GF.

cyrano

Well, chimps do get easily confused I guess.

Posted by: Zimbu

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Originally Posted by cyrano

I believe Zimbu mixed up MPDW with GF.

Can I claim dyslexia... all those letters!!

Posted by: forwardone

Return was 3.25% last week.

January figures are here:-

http://webpages.charter.net/rawgamer/2006returns.jpg

Posted by: golddust

I am getting very close to buying more shares with my interest! I may get a discounted price, if gold keeps going down.

golddust

Posted by: damien_k

just added some units this Saturday...price of gold is pretty high...first time I purchased units it was less than 15$ gram, so returns are even higher than expected...thanks

Posted by: golddust

3.2% earned this week, and an Special Announcement is expected this afternoon...

golddust

Posted by: lazygirl

this one is still going well. I'll compound this month.

Posted by: golddust

I see no reason for any concerns with this program. Let's hope it stays that way.

golddust

Posted by: clifton

MPDW is growing, as expected, into a larger club.

After consulting with members in conference and via
email about potential changes to raise the caliber
of clients we serve, the below information is
official notice of the improvements added to MPDW.net.

Some important decisions to further our stability
and ability to continue producing consistant returns
while maintaining trade integrity have come to pass.

Let's get straight to the point, many members have
been using our sell-back feature as a way to compound
returns, then sell back everything at the end of each
month and this makes our monthly drawdown impossible
to predict. We are changing some features to eliminate
this challenge so trades are not affected.

Effective today March 14th 2006, all units are now
in a tracking system which notes how many weeks of returns
each unit has received.

Each unit must now mature for 26 weeks.
All units start at 0 weeks maturity today.

This new feature applies only to sell-backs.
You may still withdraw from your Returns Balance.

# 2)
We have raised the minimum purchase to 20 units.
(This is for New Members Only)

# 3)
Minimum withdrawal of returns is now 3 units.

# 4)
There are no more emergency sell-backs.

I will not comment anything except to say that I am happy not to be a member in this... program.

Posted by: forwardone

There`s nothing in particular that rings alarm bells for me in any of the specific details other than the fact that change always gets me thinking.

Hopefully this is one of those situations which has become necessary due to a learning process and will help further secure the program`s future. As always, time will tell.

Posted by: rixzta

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Originally Posted by golddust

3.2% earned this week, and an Special Announcement is expected this afternoon...

golddust

I would not call it special.....more like INCREDIBLE......and all I see now are HUGE RED FLAGS

Posted by: golddust

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Originally Posted by rixzta

I would not call it special.....more like INCREDIBLE......and all I see now are HUGE RED FLAGS

This was not the "Special Announcement" I was expecting when I posted on 2/08. Certainly changes things doesn't it?
I can understand these provisions to secure the drawdown, but the other changes make it much more difficult to join, or profit from unit exchanges I originally saw as an interesting opportunity with MPDW. For those who have already purchased lots of units, interest earnings are still attractive.
Otherwise, fallout is expected from this announcement.

golddust

Posted by: clifton

Anyone noticed that they changed item 7 of the terms and conditions (which you have accepted when signing in)?

MPDW=CROOKS

Posted by: golddust

Though most people don't like it; programs change their Terms often, usually as a means to correct a flaw, change ROI, change payout dates, and generally to influence the survivability of the program. Also no doubt to cover mismanagement, a poor business plan and changing market conditions, or honest stupidity.
Most people complain to admins, but with little result. The bottom line is that changing TOS 'may' make it possible for the program to survive, 'may' also increase profits into the pockets of the management and may eventually benefit the members.
Observing what has been posted in MPDW's forum and in other forums, not many happy campers... most crying foul.
Will this effect re-consideration by MPDW? Legality? Complaints causing a block on egold? Knee jerk reactions?Time will tell.
I think this is the part when the qualifications of management et al will come under the microscope, proof of trading will again become a prime issue, and the fur is gunno fly...

golddust

Posted by: clifton

Changing the signed TOS is illegal.
These of you who are close to Kim and her double-word-nick son can push them to help people who don't agree to the new terms to get refunded. This is the best which can be done. These who are happy to participate in the ponzi can stay in, noone will have problems with them.

Posted by: golddust

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Originally Posted by clifton

Changing the signed TOS is illegal.
These of you who are close to Kim and her double-word-nick son can push them to help people who don't agree to the new terms to get refunded. This is the best which can be done. These who are happy to participate in the ponzi can stay in, noone will have problems with them.

I guess that would depend on how "binding" the TOS are in the first place. I am not an attorney, but I'll bet there are some attorneys out there who are examining and commenting on this issue. Is 'dreamdrifter' Kim? What's the deal with her 'son'?

golddust

Posted by: clifton

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Originally Posted by golddust

Is 'dreamdrifter' Kim? What's the deal with her 'son'?

Yes, Dreamdrifter is Kim. Her son is the biggest MPDW cheerleader (guess who is he yourself). If the close to them people push them, they may eventually wake up and help the members which don't agree with the new terms to get refunded.

Posted by: golddust

Sorry Clifton, I don't normally follow 'cheerleaders' around so I really don't know who her son is. I guess this information would only matter to those who chose relationship marketing when joining a program.
Personally, I think 'situational' marketing influence may go further in attempt to activate MPDW's reasoning.

golddust

Posted by: lazygirl

I'm not happy about these changes either. no I wish I hadn't compounded last week.
now I plan to withdraw my profits each time they reach 5 units.

Posted by: golddust

Sounds like a good plan Lazygirl. I'll be doing the same thing...

golddust

Posted by: THEGODFATHER

I agree no change is good, however.

I rarely do this, so pay attention.

This change is NECESSARY. Whether it be good or bad for the program.

This is not ez-bucks where they scam everyone and keep the site up just as it always was.

This is not star game, where they tell us nothing and scam the whole internet with nothing more then a few lies, and a couple years of paying on time as the best ponzi we ever fell into.

This is a professional move, and a decent one.

Too little information to determine death or broken knee or just ********** of this program. But I wouldn't make any rash decisions.

And yes I TGf still feel comfortable investing as regulary as usual with these guys.

I suggest you atleast invest a bare minimum and withdraw slowly you don't want to regret getting out of program too early. Now do you?

Posted by: clifton

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Originally Posted by THEGODFATHER

I suggest you atleast invest a bare minimum and withdraw slowly you don't want to regret getting out of program too early. Now do you?

No one can get out of the program anyway. All members are now hostages of MPDW and their money depend on Joe's mercy. They are blackmailing their customers to participate in their so called investment. If this does not prove it is scam (it proves for me, but oh well you probably don't think so), it is as least EXTREMLY UNPROFESSIONAL and besides any business or human ethic.

Posted by: betrdanevr

Well, I'm in the buyout line. Haven't been in long but need to gather some money together. Hope they follow through with the plans on that.

My intentions would have been to stay in for longer, but it's not good to be forced, and I haven't been in long enough where I got around to the chat room.

Posted by: golddust

Many members do not feel "forced" as they planned on long term growth. Let's hope that MDPW can live up to those expectations.

golddust

Posted by: clifton

These members could keep their funds in if they like MPDWPS so much. The other members are forced to stay although they don't want and have never agreed to. The MPDWPS arrogance is unseen in the HYIP world so far.

Posted by: clifton

WaterBaby (Dreamdrifter's son) was caught in using a different ID to attack members on HYIPD. KIM (Deramdrifter) is unable to answer simple questions.
MPDW are Criminals
STOP PROMOTING IT!

Posted by: golddust

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Originally Posted by clifton

WaterBaby (Dreamdrifter's son) was caught in using a different ID to attack members on HYIPD. KIM (Deramdrifter) is unable to answer simple questions.
MPDW are Criminals
STOP PROMOTING IT!

I don't see how either of those things make MPDW "criminals" and unless you have more proof than that, I consider your remarks to be slander.

golddust

Posted by: clifton

MPDW is running a ponzi scheme
lying about trading proof
changing TOS without other party agreement
holding people's money without their agreement.
MPDW are criminals.

Posted by: golddust

Quote:

Originally Posted by clifton

MPDW is running a ponzi scheme
lying about trading proof
changing TOS without other party agreement
holding people's money without their agreement.
MPDW are criminals.

Clifton, I think you need to separate the 'facts' from 'your opinion', especially concerning running a "ponzi scheme". Do you have proof of this? If you do, please provide it.

golddust

Posted by: clifton

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Originally Posted by golddust

Do you have proof of this? If you do, please provide it.

Yes, do your math and you'll have the proof. Ask yourself why they can't get out money from "trade" and you'll have the proof. Wait few months untril they stop paying and you'll have the proof. Check the history and you will have the proof. See who is Tim and you will have it. Check what else is hosted in their IP address, how many other scams use the same texts and same template and you'll have it. See that Kim HAVE NO IDEA what's going on in MPDW, but still administres and defends it and you will have it. Remember that NOONE from MPDW, including Joe Kiger have ever meet Tim in real live and you'll have it. See the lies which they spread all the time and you'll have it. Ask for their trading strategy and you will see they HAVE NO CLUE. See how many times Tim is changing his address. Ask him why he ran the scams DYMG and PCPLATA. See hyi-centers conversation with Tim.
This is much more than we usually have for most porgrams and they still turn into scam. What else you need to understand that MPDW is a ponzi scam?

They promissed a trading proof but were unable to show it. In the HYIP world this is pretty enough proof. You can't have anything more. What do you expect me to show you as a proof? Even if I show how their e-gold accounts just move money here and there you may choose not to believe.

I am making 10000000% per day by trading post marks. Prove me wrong.

And even if they were not a ponzi, they are still criminals acting illegal, changing TOS, lying and holding people's money against their wish. This is illegal and several people are already in contact with a lawyer to take legal actions against them. I hope we won't let the scammers run away and make the next scam. Not this time.

Posted by: golddust

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Originally Posted by clifton

Asking me to - "do math"...., "Wait few months"...,"Ask yourself why"..., "Check the history"..., " See who is Tim"..., "Check what else is hosted in their IP address"...,"See that Kim HAVE NO IDEA what's going on"..., "See the lies"..., "Ask for their trading strategy".......
is NOT Proof, indeed this would produce my own 'subjective slant" if I were to follow your commands.
I asked you for proof, and you answered with, IMO, your opinion to which you are entitled, but it does not constitute "proof".
I hate to see you get so worked up over trying to have everyone else believe your opinion is "proof", but it is not. I agree there are questionable things that have happened, and concur that attorneys will allege if something is "illegal" or "criminal", even so, that is not "proof", until determined by judge, jury , judgement and/or settlement.
In addition, MPDW has given all who wish to withdraw their shares the opportunity to do so according to some guidelines, so those who may agree with your opinion can move on.
I have to comment that citing HYI-center's "conversation" with Tim is highly controversial and IMO, not supportive to your credibility. I assume that you are not a member of MPDW and ask, why are you making MDPW your concern; also noting your Newsletter's topic this week?
Making accusations/allegations based on opinion is not "proof" and could launch detrimental investigations, possibly causing lost investments. Do you see that as a 'good' thing?
The greater good is for investors to make decisions based on the facts and truths that influence how they proceed with MPDW. If you are of the 'opinion' that MPDW is a scam, this may or may not influence what investors do based on their convictions in what you have suggested is true.
However, you might also be concerned for legal action that could be taken against you for damaging statements against MPDW when the 'proof' is known.

golddust

Posted by: clifton

As i told regardless of what proofs i give you you will not believe. So please don't ask me for proof.

But ask yourself why you choose to trust proven liars.

Obviously none of us will move in a milimetre from their opinion so further discussion is useless

Posted by: golddust

You are probably right. There's a thread ongoing over at HYIPD where you and others are involved in the same discussion. Therefore, I do not agree that further discussion is useless; others may have posts to add proof. You haven't proven anything Clifton. And it is purely your speculation that I have 'chosen to trust liars', (as opposed to believing you?) (Which I also take personal offense to, BTW).
What I believe and will believe will be based on facts that have merit.
It still is of interest to me why you have taken on this crusade to ravage MPDW, if you are not even an investor...

golddust

Posted by: clifton

I have proven it all, but you still don't believe. As i told even if i show you how they just move e-gold here and there you won't believe. Therefore further discussion is useless. Enough is to look in your sig where is your MPDWPS referal link to know that the discussion can't be objective.

All i can tell you is that you will be wrong again as each other time when you were defending a program which I warn about. (See the scams folder)

And if for you promissing a trading proof and then not showing it, and changing ILLEGALY a TOS does not make someone a liar and criminal, I don't know what does for you. Since your next replica will probably be "No you haven't proven anything", i will ignore it. So better save your typing.

Regardless if you will defend MPDWPS or not, a legal process against Joe Kiger is in place and a private investigator is hired to find the virtual Tim.

Many people say it is useless to discuss with cultists and cheerleaders and I see they are right. I'd better go discussing with my radio.

Wish you good luck with MPDW Ponzi Scam. And remember that i will NOT answer further posts here unless there is something different from blind cheerleading.

Posted by: golddust

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And if for you promissing a trading proof and then not showing it, and changing ILLEGALY a TOS does not make someone a liar and criminal, I don't know what does for you.

Someone can lie, that doesn't make them a "criminal". It is only just to rely upon the legal system to determine 'criminality'. Morally and ethically some peoples' action may be just wrong, still does not make them a "criminal". You can have that 'opinion'- that does not mean it is so.

I am not a 'cultist' or a 'cheerleader', if your reference is toward me. Again, I take offense if so. I am a person who does not agree with your opinion, which has taken on its own cultlike behavior.
Please do go forward with your radio and don't bother to respond to this thread, if you can not do it with the same respect for my opinion, as I offer you.

golddust

Posted by: clifton

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Originally Posted by golddust

Someone can lie, that doesn't make them a "criminal".

Glad to see that you confess they are liars.

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Originally Posted by golddust

Morally and ethically some peoples' action may be just wrong, still does not make them a "criminal". You can have that 'opinion'- that does not mean it is so.

Changing signed TOS and holding people's money against their free will is a crime. Go ask your lawyer.

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Originally Posted by golddust

I am not a 'cultist' or a 'cheerleader', if your reference is toward me

Wake up.

And i don't respect opinions backed by referal links and defending criminals, sorry.

Posted by: golddust

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Originally Posted by clifton

Glad to see that you confess they are liars.

It was a general statement about people who lie, not a 'confession'.

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Originally Posted by clifton

Changing signed TOS and holding people's money against their free will is a crime. Go ask your lawyer.

Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and go and ask your own attorney. Please post the 'legal' opinion of the TOS, not yours.

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Originally Posted by clifton

And i don't respect opinions backed by referal links and defending criminals, sorry.

My referral links do not "defend criminals". Again you say "criminal", I say get a legal opinion.
Taking a look at your reflinks, one might ask how do you know that you are not "defending criminals", using your logic..., show me 'your' proof...

I see that you do the same dance you accuse others of in other forums, by not answering direct questions. Interesting.
Since you have not answered the question, I must assume that you are a member of MPDW, or these issues would not involve such personal antagonism. You have been given the opportunity in the MPDW forum to sell back your shares. Why continue to torment yourself; why didn't you return/sell back your units? I believe DreamDrifter is making this offer public if you email her, with your username. If you can't stand the thought of dealing with such 'criminals' - your opinion - then drop it, cause you've left yourself no choice, except of course to follow through with legal action in an attempt to protect your interests. Your strong reaction and opinion to all the actions taken by MPDW warrents your further legal investigation, and I am sure other people who share your sentiment will appreciate it.

golddust

Posted by: clifton

Quote:

Originally Posted by golddust

Please post the 'legal' opinion of the TOS

This is lawyer's opinion, not mine. Changing signed TOS is illegal. Holding people's money against any contract is a crime.

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Originally Posted by golddust

You have been given the opportunity in the MPDW forum to sell back your shares. Why continue to torment yourself; why didn't you return/sell back your units? I believe DreamDrifter is making this offer public if you email her, with your username.

I did. But I am seeking for the truth. My world is not only arround my own pocket unlike most people in the HYIP community. I am a journalist and my business is to find the truth. And my links are not referal.

Anyway, as i told if MPDW keep their TOS and pay out all the members who don't trust them anymore, i'll let them run their ponzi and won't dig anymore. They have a great offer to get rid of a "troublemaker" like me.

Posted by: golddust

"Troublemaker" you say? Digging for 'truth' is admirable. Just don't dig too deep that the walls cave in or you can't climb out. Looks and feels bad being down and looking up; in pursuit of the truth people believe what they need to believe, not what is necessarily the truth.
Journalism usually requires objectivity, but in HYIPs, forums and especially blogs and newsletters, the subjectivity of the poster/author must be believable, not incredibly opinionated.
I see over at HYIPD where someone posted that Dreamdrifter was an alien. This goes beyond believable in my book. Let's see some proof on that!

golddust

Posted by: damien_k

Still confident with MPDW, and finally decided to stay, I think their move is valid for the long term

Posted by: skyboy

now i can do is wait..............

Posted by: clifton

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Originally Posted by MPDW

We had a losing week so there will be no amount
added to returns balance this week.

Our reserves are going to be used for the recovery
effort and to payout the existing withdrawal requests.

We are closing to new members and new spends.

For a more detailed explanation of the situation
we ask that you email support@mpdw.net or stop in
at our conference room when it is open.

Come visit us in the Conference Room when you have time.
We really enjoy getting to know each and every one of our
members. You get to participate by offering your opinion
and you also learn more about our entire group as a whole.

CONFERENCE ROOM LINK

http://67.19.231.218/v4/login.asp?r=287e55ba

Warmest Regards,
MPDW Team

Just as expected...

Posted by: forwardone

Some would suggest though that closing to new members is a positive sign. Ponzis require fresh funds being fed into them after all.

Having said that the timing seems more than co-incidental.

Posted by: clifton

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Originally Posted by forwardone

Some would suggest though that closing to new members is a positive sign. Ponzis require fresh funds being fed into them after all.

I believe it does not really matter as noone would spend in a program which can loose all in single week.

Posted by: moremoe

I cannot say for sure what the reasons for this are, but nowhere does it state that they have lost all. It was stated that the reserves are being used to service debts and for upcoming withdrawal requests -of which there are likely far more than previously, mine included.

What would be gained by deliberately showing a zero balance on the website if they intended to run? They would just run...

Posted by: clifton

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Originally Posted by moremoe

I cannot say for sure what the reasons for this are, but nowhere does it state that they have lost all. It was stated that the reserves are being used to service debts and for upcoming withdrawal requests -of which there are likely far more than previously, mine included.

What would be gained by deliberately showing a zero balance on the website if they intended to run? They would just run...

The investors have Joe's address and real name. He can hardly just "run". Instead of that they can "loose" the money and you can't do anything agains them.

Posted by: golddust

This is posted by Dreamdrifter at the MPDW forum:

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The present situation, as I understand it is this.

There was a private placement that was to be paid out this month and they have not honored it. They are still working on recovering it.

As if that was not bad enough, one of the traders got reckless and risked and lost too much. He is no longer one of our traders.

Presently the reserve funds will be used towards trying to regain this
ground. The reserve funds are not gone.

We do not want to bring new members in to a recovering situation, so at this time are not excepting new members or purchases.

I need to get more information from Joe and Tim. I did not learn about this until last evening at 9pm EST.
_________________
Best of Returns
Dreamdrifter

There is also a poll at the forum for members to 'vote' whether or not MPDW should go private, (the majority vote 'agrees' thus far), and many posts questioning the topic of "reserves".

This is a further post from Dreamdrifter:

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Personally, not all that confident with these turn of events, but I expect additional information will make the situation clearer.

golddust

Posted by: forwardone

Thanks golddust, let`s just hope that things will work out. Nothing is `sure` in this arena.

Posted by: lazygirl

so will they honour withdrawal requests made in April?

Posted by: clifton

Joe said he was busy working on withdrawals. So supposingly they should pay out

Posted by: lazygirl

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Originally Posted by clifton

Joe said he was busy working on withdrawals. So supposingly they should pay out

hopefully, yes. I'll post here if I receive it....

Posted by: golddust

Me too. I am waiting. Payouts should be made by the 10th?

golddust

Posted by: golddust

I received payout for April. My units gained 33% over purchase price as the value of gold continues going up.
Otherwise things have been quiet, even communications to members.

golddust

Posted by: lazygirl

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Originally Posted by golddust

I received payout for April. My units gained 33% over purchase price as the value of gold continues going up.
Otherwise things have been quiet, even communications to members.

golddust

you have same username in MPDW as here?

just wondering where in the alphabet they are at....

Posted by: golddust

Yes, same username. Do they go by that or your real name?

Posted by: lazygirl

Quote:

Originally Posted by golddust

Yes, same username. Do they go by that or your real name?

they go by username in MPDW.

Posted by: golddust

I was paid on Saturday.... your letter should be coming up; if you are "lazygirl" that is.

Posted by: lazygirl

Quote:

Originally Posted by golddust

I was paid on Saturday.... your letter should be coming up; if you are "lazygirl" that is.

nah, I have a different username in MPDW. my lastname, so waiting for S.

Posted by: forwardone

Since this program is now completely private, and is if fact no longer taking in deposits, and has serious doubts being expressed about it`s future......you know....moved.

Posted by: lazygirl

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Originally Posted by lazygirl

nah, I have a different username in MPDW. my lastname, so waiting for S.

well, I did get that payment anyway.

Posted by: golddust

Here is some interesting information concerning MPDW's Joe Keiger I found on a blog from an oldtimer- John Stankiewicz - formerly partnered with David Werba and Dr. Platte in OneWorldLine. John is now the admin of http://9planetreviews.com
Joe Keiger is now running Gewts.com, Global Electronic Wealth Transfer System, a pay processor.
Gewts is owned and operated by MPDW and is solely an e-currency backed by the Euro. It is set up properly and licensed in Panama; also tied to a Swedish credit union (MPDW's?), where the Debit cards can be funded instantly with your Gewts account. You can also exchange e-bullion and e-gold and have your cards funded instantly. The new software for Gewts reportedly has a security feature that stops all keylogger attempts.

Another program - http://www.diggos.com a cash back search engine type program, has launched that reportedly will use GEWTS as its processor.
This is owned by Peter Sweeney.

Diggos.com Details:

We have a simple way for all paying members to receive 200% cash back on all purchases within 40 days or less.
Each purchase of $20 in ad credits is tracked in your back office as a "lot". Every lot will be given a countdown of 40 days. Members are limited to 25 lots purchase per day.
Minimum purchase is $20, E-gold or e-Bullion. The program is only just re-opened, take advantage of this early call.

The forum is at: http://www.diggos.com/forum/

I looked at diggos.com but I did not find any mention of GEWTS as a dedicated pay processor.

According to JS, he believes that MPDW was became insolvent due to poor Forex trading and/or a poor Forex trading time period, difficult for many Forex traders.
It looks like Joe may have developed a new pay processor just in time to rescue all the faltering AS programs. Gotta wonder if the rest of the MPDW gang is along for the ride.

golddust

Posted by: forwardone

Quote:

Originally Posted by golddust

According to JS, he believes that MPDW was became insolvent due to poor Forex trading and/or a poor Forex trading time period, difficult for many Forex traders.
It looks like Joe may have developed a new pay processor just in time to rescue all the faltering AS programs. Gotta wonder if the rest of the MPDW gang is along for the ride.

golddust

Thanks golddust. This ties in with what`s been put out for public consumption then about the poor forex trading.

Intriguing I must say. I`m interested too in those last couple of points.

Posted by: golddust

I saw on another forum that this information was "old news". Is it??? I don't recall seeing this information publically announced in connection with MPDW, but OK, I don't see everything...

Posted by: forwardone

The forum has all but gone, there`s just a folder left for `News` updates. As far as I`m concerned my last HYIP is dead and almost buried.

Posted by: golddust

Very unprofessional management, communications, and end to what was supposed to be a well thought out program, or so we were led to believe. (like lambs to the slaughter).
Anyone who was associated with this program should be ashamed of the way this was handled. I can think of a few people who lost credibility IMO.

golddust

Posted by: moremoe

Pathetic, is all I can say...

Posted by: golddust

Picked up this little tidbit from the latest HYIPinvestment Newsletter: 9/21/06

Quote:

I was hoping to wait and post good news. But it did not happen this way.
No debit cards are being used and the company wants $500 per month to maintain our cards on their system.
I do not know what will happen when we do not pay this enormous fee, but we are definitely not in a place to pay for a bunch of cards that are still in the box in Panama.
No need in any questions really, I have no more info and there are no active cards anyway.
Sorry for more bad news, I was hoping to have some good info to post soon about a couple things. We continue to strive for the ultimate and complete recovery.
regards,
Tim

This came from the Highyieldbiz Team Newsletter (09/08/06)

Quote:

MPDW sells consulting for profits and place a certain percent of
net sales into managed trade accounts. The terms of the program
are 0-15% weekly for the life of the program or you sell back the
unit. MPDW is straightful by saying that they cannot guarantee
any returns, but their trades produced 197% last year. MPDW
accept egold and ebullion.

According the the HYB Team news, either MPDW is start up again, or the
"news desk" needs to update their program information.

golddust

Posted by: visioninvestments

How's this SCAM doing these days ? lol

Posted by: golddust

There is nothing conclusive found about MPDW. The website is still up stating the min w/d is 3 units. Haven't heard of anyone who has made a w/d though it has been 6 mos, when MPDW indicated members could w/d their funds.

Posted by: forwardone

I think the lack of communication for which at one time they were pretty good tells its own story with MPDW.

Posted by: visioninvestments

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Originally Posted by forwardone

I think the lack of communication for which at one time they were pretty good tells its own story with MPDW.

well with the lack of communication they are giving I surely say 2 months and it's gone.
thats just the way these admins lose touch with members and take off.

good luck all !

Posted by: tulasu

Quote:

Originally Posted by golddust

There is nothing conclusive found about MPDW. The website is still up stating the min w/d is 3 units. Haven't heard of anyone who has made a w/d though it has been 6 mos, when MPDW indicated members could w/d their funds.

We have moved MPDW to Failed Programs at ProjectPCF. There's a list a mile long on why.

1. Someone besides Joe was on his Skype - he actually answered and told me who he was - or he was lying.
2. After 3 or 4 attempts to have this 'other' guy have Joe call me back, which he never did, my account was blocked.
3. I tried contacting by email - account disactivated.
4. Tried the phone number - that's now unlisted.
5. And finally, zero activity on their forum with condescending comments about we'll update you when we have news.

The timing of this dropping off the face of the earth was impeccable. Joe had no trouble communicating with me UNTIL I requested a late withdrawal that I had overlooked the first time around.

So, my guess is that no one is receiving refunds if I'm not. After all, we were 'buddies'.

Posted by: golddust

Thanks for posting the results of your efforts, Tulasu. It was only a matter of time before the waiting produced nothing. MPDW has to have been one of the worst SCAMS of the last year. And even worse than that is that somewhere Joe and Tim are out and about with another scam plan or two.

golddust

Posted by: clifton

Quote:

Originally Posted by golddust

And even worse than that is that somewhere Joe and Tim are out and about with another scam plan or two.

Or they could be already running it. Which makes them so busy to communicate

Posted by: forwardone

Yes, scammers never die, they just reinvent themselves. That`s the scary part.

Posted by: golddust

Scary for investors, but SAD for these lost souls. Eventually it will all come around to nothing for them. I hate the fact these scammers (all of them) read posts like this laugh and shrug it off, and merrily go into the ethers with their next ploy. Get them behind bars, and they'll see the worth of their ways. No one is invinceable.