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RolClub Threatens More Bannings

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Posted by: forwardone

Quote:
Originally Posted by Admin
Stop the confusion making.

I have banned a few today. I will ban many more, if i see you are
confusing pips members. I am myself am pips member, and believe
Bryan will let us know what and when we need to know it.
He is working hard to make pips return, and i believe he will
succeed in his goal.

To naysayers.
Write it down, read it loud, take a picture, I DONT CARE!
If you wish to dash pips = Not happening on ROLCLUB.COM!!!!!!!!

If you think its unfair of me to not let naysayers post,
(Its my Forum! Started for pro-pips members, Go to your forum or start your own). Some will consider this a childish comment by me, but I do what I have to, to protect pips investors that believe in pips like myself. Naysayers have their own forum and I suggest you go there..


Regards

Admin





Posted by: Hardlyworkin

Wow looks like the admin only want to see one side of the story, talk about being opinionated!



Posted by: hawk

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hardlyworkin
Wow looks like the admin only want to see one side of the story, talk about being opinionated!


That is not correct. Rol Club Forum is very fair forum with very intelligent members.

Truth is they do not want garbage to be posted.

People do have a opinions of concern in their posts, but one that are going overboard, same as here and every place else, are warned and than baned if they do not listen.

So why is this wrong way they handle clean forum?

Most important, there is place with very interesting postings and also you get a latest true and current information.

You would not find fabricated stories and speculations ( in small level if any) as on most HYIP Forums.



Posted by: Hardlyworkin

hawk, you will find the fabricated stories and speculation at any forum that you go to I'm sure that most of it is not true but not allowing people to post their own opinions wether pro of con takes away from the value of any forum.



Posted by: hawk

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hardlyworkin
hawk, you will find the fabricated stories and speculation at any forum that you go to I'm sure that most of it is not true but not allowing people to post their own opinions wether pro of con takes away from the value of any forum.


Yes I agree, good value forum has balance good and bad opinions. It is matter of intelligent and proper level of both opinions. Some Forums do not care for quality of postings such as Talk Gold.

RolClub in other hand would not let such low level and un-human behaving present on their forum.
Most HYIP Forum depend on traffic for their advertising and that is why they do not care.

I hope you understand a difference.



Posted by: value4money

I`ve even seen them kick those PIPS zealots out who dared to ask the `wrong` question.



Posted by: hawk

Quote:
Originally Posted by value4money
I`ve even seen them kick those PIPS zealots out who dared to ask the `wrong` question.


That is right. If question has no meanings and also if is sarcastic than should be thrown out.



Posted by: DontBefooled

Quote:
Originally Posted by hawk
That is right. If question has no meanings and also if is sarcastic than should be thrown out.

How would you define a question that has NO MEANING? Do you mean if it asks for answers that no-one can, or is prepared to answer? If that`s the case then the forum isn`t really fulfilling it`s role.



Posted by: hawk

Quote:
Originally Posted by DontBefooled
How would you define a question that has NO MEANING? Do you mean if it asks for answers that no-one can, or is prepared to answer? If that`s the case then the forum isn`t really fulfilling it`s role.


No meaning means, to have no clue or knowledge of what they are taking about.

Also not allow to have personal attack, bad mouth Bryan and stupid comment about Pips without any back up about accusations. Anything that is beyond human intelligence.

Normal curiosity and concern questions are properly answered.

So is this clear for you, or you are still in puzzle.

Besides all, it is all up to you what you want to believe.



Posted by: THEGODFATHER

Let them ban untill their fingers go num. The more they ban, the more the naasayers win their case, and proove their point. Check and match.



Posted by: hawk

Quote:
Originally Posted by THEGODFATHER
Let them ban untill their fingers go num. The more they ban, the more the naasayers win their case, and proove their point. Check and match.


I feel sorry for you. You live in dark wolrd. You will never see a light.



Posted by: THEGODFATHER

Finally someone who knows where I'm comming from. You'll save more poket change facing the truth, then you will trying to get flys with honey.



Posted by: value4money

If they start banning all the pipsters who ask questions about the new scam, oops, scheme, they`ve got going then it`ll soon be empty.



Posted by: golddust

Quote:
I feel sorry for you. You live in dark wolrd. You will never see a light.



Hawk, this would make a great Signature for you!

I'm sure everyone will understand what "wolrd" means....

golddust



Posted by: hawk

Quote:
Originally Posted by golddust
Hawk, this would make a great Signature for you!

I'm sure everyone will understand what "wolrd" means....

golddust


Sorry for typo. I meant world. Everybody is entitle for mistake when in rush.



Posted by: darcieP

A not untypical response made by a mod at Rolclub to any one who dares to asks questions.

Quote:
I just have one question and MODS don't delete it........

Bryan... i would like to know why you don't answer these questions
and you know that its important for us members to know these answers

What is the problem ? u must have seen them by now

Tell us what we need to know, WE have waited for a whole year....

FYI: No need for deletion here http://www.rolclub.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif and Bryan truly doesn't need to and that is simply owing to the fact that his discretion lies by being one on top of the "troubled" issues and the last he and most of us want to see is be embroiled by inpertinent and intimidating queries borne out of suggestive impatience that is hellbound to stir more divide and controversy among members...MOD


Don`t ask impertinent questions!!! Who do these people think they are? How pathetic that you are allowed to `loan` their program thousands of dollars, but when it all gets tied up, with every chance that it`s all gone, you mustn`t ask sensitive questions. Rolclub mods are a joke, just like their masters.



Posted by: golddust

Quote:
Rolclub mods are a joke, just like their masters.


... brainwashed.

DarcieP, welcome to WL and thanks for this revealing quote.

In all fairness, it would be appropriate to add the link where this post/thread can be found.

golddust



Posted by: golddust

Quote:


Sorry for typo. I meant world. Everybody is entitle for mistake when in rush.



You mean you were "in rush" to make that response post to godfather?

Don't worry, he's not going anywhere.

golddust



Posted by: darcieP

Quote:
Originally Posted by golddust
... brainwashed.

DarcieP, welcome to WL and thanks for this revealing quote.

In all fairness, it would be appropriate to add the link where this post/thread can be found.

golddust

I`ve just gone back to try to find the link, golddust, but I can`t see it, although by now it might have been deleted.

Will you settle for this, from a normally pro-pips supporter, in a thread in which some uncomfortable questioning is taking place.

http://www.rolclub.com/showthread.p...85&page=2&pp=10

Quote:

One more VERY important question from me:


Will you be keeping any of the money made from the "New" Pipsaid program for yourself Bryan? This one most definitely SHOULD NOT be side stepped!!
I mean I understand paying for the servers and such.....but I mean will you be keeping any of it for your own personal use? I would like to know the answer to this.




Posted by: DontBefooled

Yet more bannings for those who dare ask the wrong sort of questions-

http://www.rolclub.com/showthread.php?p=45794#post45794

Quote:
Thoughts to ponder

AND HERE ARE THE LUCKY LOTTO WINNERS OF THIS THREAD.

TO the BANNED, WHY DONT YOU GO CRAWLING BACK TO
THE FORUM YOU ALL WERE TOUGHT THE HATE! WE DONT
WE DONT WANT YOU HERE http://www.rolclub.com/images/smilies/mad.gif !

Nancy BANNED
rich kid BANNED
drlwilliams BANNED
lynnRE BANNED
ems001 BANNED

TO SANCTIONED USER. THE WAY TO THE LIST ABOVE IS NOW SHORT FOR YOUR GUYS! YOU HAVE NOW BEEN SANCTIONED FOR 4 WEEKS. AND I WILL LET YOU REPOST AGAIN THE 14-01.06.IF YOU RESIGNUP, I WILL BAN YOU.YOU CAN NOW ENJOY YOUR NEW READ ONLY STATUS.
DONT POST TO MY ASKING WHY. I WILL NOT ANSWER THIS.
MAIL ME IN 4 Weeks, and i will remove the sanctioned user status.
MAREK


Soaringeagle read only
ricki1 read only
pippyman read only
Sura06 read only
crazytony read only + all 97 posts deleted!

THIS THREAD IS NOW FURTHER JUST A SUPPORT THREAD FOR BRYAN.
ANY QUESTIONS TO HIM GOES IN THE PIPS PROGRAM FORUM, ONLY!

REGARDS

ADMIN
MAREK

THREAD IS NOW OPEN AGAIN.




Posted by: THEGODFATHER

The banning speaks for the program itself. CS is the best tool to a good reputation, not even PIN or TPS will ever get such negative feedback, because they never went this far.



Posted by: THEGODFATHER

We should ban them, a complete boycotting of everything having to do with them. And congrats to the winners. In this case, their are no losers.



Posted by: DontBefooled

I don`t think it`s sunk in with some of them just WHY members feel the need to ask so many awkward questions.



Posted by: Owen Platt

This one lasted only a few seconds this morning:

katek53
Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 4

questions to answer

Originally Posted by BM
Here are a few thoughts to ponder on the scam allegations. If we wanted to scam people ......

1. WHY would we still be here when I could have cashed out 2 years ago with enough money to keep 3 generations going comfortably.

NONE OF US KNOW FOR SURE THAT YOU REALLY ARE HERE. ANYBODY CAN START A NEW WEB SITE AND SAY THEY ARE YOU AND TYPE OUT REASSURING MESSAGES THAT CLAIM THEY ARE YOU. NONE OF US HAVE AN IP ADDRESS, A PHYSICAL ADDRESS, A PHONE NUMBER, A PHOTO OF YOUR PASSPORT OR THE NAME OF ANY BANKING OFFICIAL AT BON OR COPIES OF ANY INVESTIGATIVE PAPERS NOR SERVICE OF INVESTIGATION BY THEM TO PIPS.

2. WHY would we be so visible going out to meet members, hold conventions, allow so many visitors in our offices.

NO MEMBERS HAVE BEEN MET WITH SINCE THE COLLASPSE OF THE WEB SITE. NOBODY CAN CONTACT BRYAN EXCEPT THE ADMINISTRATORS WHO FORWARD HIS E-mail. HOW DO THEY GET THIS PRIVELEDGED CORRESPONDENCE? WHAT RELATIONSHIP DID THEY HAVE TO HIM TO GAIN PERSONAL ACCESS/ WHY DOES BRYAN HAVE TIME TO POST 400 E MAILS RECENTLYLY? CAN ANY MAN STAY UP 24/7? LIKEWISE THERE HAVE BEEN NO MORE CONVENTIONS AND THERE ARE NO OFFICES TO VISIT. CALL THAT VISABLE?

7. WHY would I continue to come onto the internet and face the abuse and critisim every day.

I THINK YOU WOULDN'T AND DON'T WITH THAT MUCH CASH IN YOUR CASHE.
HOW DO we KNOW IT IS YOU AND NOT JUST MAREK CAPITOLIZING ON WHAT HOPE REMAINS AND ASKING FOR DONATIONS TO GET HIM THRU MED SCHOOL? THIS WEB SITE CAN DISAPPEAR AT ANYTIME ALSO. WHAT BANK HOLDS THE ESCROW ACCOUNT FOR THE NEW LOTTO THING. WHAT STATE, WHOS NAME, WHAT LICENSE? ITS STILL ALL MYSTERY AND DRIVEN BY HOPE.

I STILL have the same vision that pips was originally based on and STILL believe we can achieve it.

Scammers are not real, visible, contactable people.

SHOW ME PROOF OF BM's identity, SHOW ME WHERE IN THE WORLD HE IS VISABLE BESIDES A WEB SITE THAT CAN SHUT DOWN TOMORROW, SHOW ME BYRANS PERSONAL E-MAIL ADDRESS. OR A CERTIFIED DOCUMENT OF BON OR A RECEIPT FOR HIS CONFISCATED GOODS!! AND MONEY

Think about it.

I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT IT. YOU COLLECTED ENOUGH MONEY TO BE INVISABLE FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, LIVE WELL AND KEEP THE DELUSIONED GOING LONG ENOUGH TO NEVER BE TRACEABLE EVER AGAIN WHILE THE COMPLEXITIES OF SHIFTING FUNDS AROUND IS IN PROGRESS. REGISTERING BUSINESS IN PANAMA GAVE YOU A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF INVISABILITY BECAUSE THERE ARE NO FOI ACTS DOWN THERE AND EUROPEANS ARE MOST WELCOME.

Bryan

17-12-2005, 08:11 PM
__________________



Posted by: forwardone

Quote:
This one lasted only a few seconds this morning:

Uncomfortable reading for PIPSters, so no surprise it was soon removed.



Posted by: THEGODFATHER

This program wouldn't go num if it wasen't for the bannings and strict policies.



Posted by: hawk

Owen is struggling to express his nonsense post above on every possible Forum.

He is so desperate to gain loosing popularity. Your book will not survive, friend.
Nothing to write about.

Do not try to gain some sympathy from anybody. Your conspiracy against PIPS will be crushed.

Truth will prevail.



Posted by: golddust

Quote:
Truth will prevail.


I hope you know that applies to the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, which might not be the "truth" you prefer.

golddust



Posted by: hawk

Quote:
Originally Posted by golddust
I hope you know that applies to the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, which might not be the "truth" you prefer.

golddust


You shell see.



Posted by: THEGODFATHER

This programs getting worse and worse. The longer they're online the worse it gets. He should have sold off the company a long time ago.



Posted by: Hardlyworkin

Posted on ROI Club forum:

"
I know that none of us are exactly where we want to be at this time, but both Sharon and I would like to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and a Happy and Prosperous New Year.

I am currently going through the Lotto site as well as the designs for the two new programs that will be utilised in the restructuring of pips.

Ater the year that 2005 turned into, I know it may be hard for some to believe that 2006 will be any better. I can assure you however that by the time we reach christmas 2006 we will all have had an excellent year and the trials of 2005 will be long gone.

Although I say that the trials will be long gone, hopefully they will not be forgotten and the lessons that have been learned by all will be engraved in our minds. I know that there has been a lot learned by us, which will ensure a better future.

Thank you for your continued support and patience, Merry Christmas to Everyone.

Bryan"



Posted by: darcieP

Upbeat message there from B.M. but it`s just more mindgames as far as I`m concerned to string PIPSters along in to next year.



Posted by: hawk

His last message is excellent explanation in short to members about direction of activity.

I wish that is more people in world as Bryan. His care for members and humanitarian activity is awesome. This man has a courage and inner strength to fight evil. Not many would survive what was thrown to him.
he could easily fold, but no, he stands proud fighting enemy.

2006 will be great year to remember, even of we had some obstacles in 2005 because of bad people.

Do not call me cheerleader. I am not. I just trust what is right, and you do not trust PIPS that is your choice, but do not give me nonsense comments.



Posted by: THEGODFATHER

Popularity is the key to many programs downfalls. The negative popularity of this program speaks for itself. It's name will forever be it's own haunting curse. May we learn from their mistakes and build a strategy to avoid them in our own ventures. It is the only way we will ever learn. Luckily we have WL to keep us informed of the popular opinion of each program out there, with DD, and needed censorship from useless gab that goes nowhere, allowing us to keep our eyes on the prize and hopefully letting us all come out looking like winners. Have a happy new year everyone. Your Friendly Godfather.



Posted by: golddust

Quote:


May we learn from their mistakes and build a strategy to avoid them in our own ventures.



Unfortunately, "their mistakes" were committed after the program was rolling and so many people were happily in profit; then herded along with the mistakes that put PIPs where it now is.
It is difficult to build a strategy to avoid this meglomania.
Certain individual investor controls must be in place, take principle, reinvest profit, do not respend, do not follow greed. So many people would not be at a loss if restraint was part of the equation. Be happy with what you have earned, not mourning over what you "could have" earned with your losses.

golddust



Posted by: THEGODFATHER

ROI club however is not in lose, they are in profit from this whole turn over. And if we do not keep our eyes peeled and on them at all times we will see history repeat itself. I wouldn't be suprised if these scammers continue their traits in several other programs under our noses. If anyone would like to compare simularities that tie this program into others we're all ears. Just a thought.



Posted by: hawk

Quote:
Originally Posted by THE GODFATHER
ROI club however is not in lose, they are in profit from this whole turn over. And if we do not keep our eyes peeled and on them at all times we will see history repeat itself. I wouldn't be suprised if these scammers continue their traits in several other programs under our noses. If anyone would like to compare simularities that tie this program into others we're all ears. Just a thought.


The godfather, do not worry about ROLclub. They are Pips members support forum, and they run it clean. It is no scammer there. I know for sure.

If they set up sign up for GreenZap, that is to be able earn some money to support operation. I see nothing wrong with that.

Forum is excellent in matter of performance and control. I will give them 5 ****

Thanks



Posted by: value4money

Quote:
If they set up sign up for GreenZap, that is to be able earn some money to support operation. I see nothing wrong with that.

Have you ever looked at their advertising rates, as well as the money that members are being asked for when Markek pleads for donations to run his forum? Who do you think all that revenue goes to? Marek, plain and simple. His incomings must far surpass his outgoings as far as the forum goes, so this idea that GreenZap is to `support the operation` is nonsense. It`s to support Marek in the style he`d like to become accustomed to.



Posted by: DontBefooled

Don`t ask questions of Bryan! BTW this thread has now been deleted - wonder why?

http://www.rolclub.com/showthread.php?p=54001#post54001

Quote:

From Style:


This PROVES My Point About Shell....

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This PM I just received from Shell proves exactly what I posted yesterday. She abuses her "authority" (if thats what you want to call her "little job" she does) and she seriously thinks she is better than the rest of us because she has the title "Moderator". The PM is below and it further proves my point that if you dont have the same exact opinion and views as she does, then she will abuse her authority.

Marek.............it is time you get a replacement for her............you know the trouble she has already caused you because of her demands for the lotto link first. All of the other forums are attacking YOU Marek because of Shell's actions and you know this............you and I have already discussed this. She needs to go and YOU know it.
I will probably be banned now because that is the kind of person that Shell is, but Marek..............you can not let her continue to threaten your members like this and continue to abuse her authority like she has. If other members leave here because I have a difference of opinion then that is their problem, not mine. Notice she says that "I am not going to drive the good members away from Rolclub". You know what that means dont you.........."The Good Members" are those that have the same opinion and views and she does.

Shell;
You do what you feel is necessary HOT SHOT, but you dont own me and you wont control me
__________________________________________________ ______________
The PM from Shell:
_______________
Warning
Hi


I am warning you. If you post one more post with those questions for Bryan I will ban you. If you support, as you put it, anyone who ask anymore questions for Bryan which he has said he can not answer I will ban you. You are not going to drive good people away from RolClub....................

Shell


http://www.talkgold.com/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif Re: Rolclub Members Want Rid of Shell
From Shell: Yeah, stop asking Bryan questions!!

If you would only understand what you are doing Style.

I am doing my best for the members of RolClub and you are constantly in opposition to everyone except for those who complain about Bryan and PIPS.
We just can't have this .............
Either you calm down and not ask anymore questions for Bryan which he has said he can not answer, or you will have to leave.

It's no use that you call me bad names, I have become immune to your insults, but when you attack everyone which does not share your views it crosses the line........

Make your choice Style.....




Posted by: intheknow

Tempers are really getting frayed over at R.Club. Here`s a series of posts made earlier today.

http://www.rolclub.com/showthread.php?t=5277&page=9

Quote:
Today, 07:20 AM
Admin
Administrator
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,057
http://www.rolclub.com/images/misc/im_msn.gif

http://www.rolclub.com/images/icons/icon1.gif
Hmmmm. Your opinions are fine, but your personal attacks are not.

From here on, if i see any personal attcak on anyone, i will simply have t..............., you know what i mean.

What i can say myself is this. You can talk, we wont ban you. Just dont attack other, and this goes for all! I will not give special treatment to anyone here. I would ask some here to lookup their posts, edit them for bad language.

Sad to see this development, but all people are different, and all have their opinions. I dont wish to ban any pips member at all. But if you dont follow RC rules, i will remove you. Please calm down, and do NOT attack each other!

regards


Marek

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Today, 07:26 AM
badger05
Junior Member
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 15


http://www.rolclub.com/images/icons/icon1.gif Marek
Wonder why I was banned for 6 days by Shell when I never did attack anyone, I only stated my opinion and she did not like my post and banned me. I would like to clarify the reason why she banned me as I am positive that I did not attack anyone!
You stated that you do not ban anyone for giving their opinion and that's exactly what I did and I got banned.

Badger05

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Today, 08:14 AM
Admin
Administrator
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,057


http://www.rolclub.com/images/icons/icon1.gif
Quote:
Originally Posted by badger05
Wonder why I was banned for 6 days by Shell when I never did attack anyone, I only stated my opinion and she did not like my post and banned me. I would like to clarify the reason why she banned me as I am positive that I did not attack anyone!
You stated that you do not ban anyone for giving their opinion and that's exactly what I did and I got banned.

Badger05


Your still here, and not banned. I think this is the answer to your question mate.

marek

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Today, 08:22 AM
manic1
Junior Member
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 14


http://www.rolclub.com/images/icons/icon1.gif
It seems many like the opportunity to write things that go over and over the same points time and time again.

The way some dictate what Bryan should or should not do is arrogant to the extreme.

I may be a newbie on this forum but I go back a long way with Bryan.

I am leaving this forum to all the ego hunters and I will wait patiently for the info that the new set up is ready.


Bye

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Today, 09:03 AM

Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: The Matrix. . . trying to escape
Posts: 180


http://www.rolclub.com/images/icons/icon1.gif
Wow...




Posted by: darcieP

There`s an enforced ceasefire at Rolclub at the moment while they all have a chance to reload their weapons.

Quote:
Hello A software problem, is the reason for taking down the forum. There seems like a combinatin of server and software problem at the moment.




Posted by: golddust

So Sad!!
I hope they get it back up pronto. Some people have NOTHING else to do.


golddust



Posted by: intheknow

You`d be amazed at how many posts are now anti-Bryan M. Members are seeing things much clearer now and are coming to terms with the fact that PIPS will never return, and their Messiah has left them in the lurch.

At one time these post would have been immediately deleted but now I think Marek and the mods realize the weight of opinion has turned. Where will R.club go from here?



Posted by: golddust

Quote:
Where will R.club go from here?


Let's ask Hawk .


golddust



Posted by: hawk

Since Bryan did not post for a while, and activity was down little bit, we got attack by bunch of mushrooms from TG and that is why negativity showed up.

Pips members are still in good spirit but the do not post as much.

Those mushrooms got taken care off very fast,. Not many left to argue since they have no clue of what they are talking about.

We got some dumb heads here too that are thinking of Pips as dead issue.

I hope some people will get out of dark soon. It is so sad to see so much ignorance among Pips bashers.



Posted by: forwardone

hawk, are we looking at the same Rolclub forum? I know for a fact that some of those negative posts are from former Propipsters. I`m sure there are a few more members from other forums including TG who`ve joined in the discussions, but if you take a look at some of those names many of them have been around Rolclub for a while now.


It`s an inescapable fact that things are turning against Bryan Marsden, and members are sick of the lack of communication.

Quote:
We got some dumb heads here too that are thinking of Pips as dead issue.

And please don`t make comments like this over here, this isn`t acceptable in our forum.

If you have proof that PIPS will come back please post it. If you have inside information please post it. If not then you are speculating as much as anyone else here - and yes- that IS allowed.



Posted by: hawk

Quote:
Originally Posted by forwardone
..................
And please don`t make comments like this over here, this isn`t acceptable in our forum.
..................
If you have proof that PIPS will come back please post it. If you have inside information please post it. If not then you are speculating as much as anyone else here - and yes- that IS allowed.


Why you are against my good, solid and factual comment and you allow bad, insulted and false statement comments.

Is this because I am in favor of Pips?

You are showing your colors. You suppose to be neutral, if you got a job as Mod on any forum, unless is dictatorship.

Final, tell me what kind proof you need? I am not BNM officer, or any authority as matter of fact, to tell you. So why don't you wait as everybody else does for results.
My statements are based on pure logic, which is supported by event of development, and if you are blind and ignorant as some of your posters here, that I am sorry I can't help you.
Either you except my post or not it is up to individual, but do not tell me to shout up. I got same rights to post as everybody else.



Posted by: forwardone

No-one has asked you to `shout up` (I think you meant shut up, right?), but you were asked not to post comments such as THIS:-
Quote:
We got some dumb heads here too that are thinking of Pips as dead issue.

My neutral stance allows me to say that you are forever more telling other members not to post anything as proof unless they can actually back up their comments. Don`t you think the same should apply to you?

You continually say `PIPS WILL be back` but you are now stating that YOU have no proof. I guess therefore you are stating your OPINION?



Posted by: golddust

Quote:
Originally Posted by forwardone
No-one has asked you to `shout up` (I think you meant shut up, right?), but you were asked not to post comments such as THIS:-
My neutral stance allows me to say that you are forever more telling other members not to post anything as proof unless they can actually back up their comments. Don`t you think the same should apply to you?

You continually say `PIPS WILL be back` but you are now stating that YOU have no proof. I guess therefore you are stating your OPINION?


Forwardone, welcome to the PIPs 'Whose Opinion is Right Debate' thread.
After Hawk has made this statement though,
Quote:
My statements are based on pure logic


I believe the debate has become 'illogical'.


golddust



Posted by: Zimbu

Quote:
My statements are based on pure logic

Logic is only as good as the information it's based on. If it's based on verifiable facts, logic (done correctly) can be bulletproof. If it's based on opinions, conjecture or hearsay, then logical conclusions are no better than opinions, conjecture or hearsay.

Just for the record, a statement can be a perfectly valid logical construct, yet at the same time be totally false. It depends on whether the conclusions are based on true premises or false premises...



Posted by: golddust

Quote:
a statement can be a perfectly valid logical construct, yet at the same time be totally false. It depends on whether the conclusions are based on true premises or false premises...


Therefore:

Quote:
I believe the debate has become 'illogical'.


golddust



Posted by: Hardlyworkin

This is the most recent update by Marek:

"Hello

Here are some updates from Rolclub.com

1) Private Msg is again activated on Rolclub.

2) I have sent an email to Bryan asking for an
update on pips matters.
Link: http://www.rolclub.com/showthread.php?t=5669

3) Language forum will soon be activated again.

4) Tell a friend about Rolclub with www.rolclub.com/taf

5) Advertise with rolclub. Our alexa rating has increased to 16094. With 6000+ returning visitors a day and 16886 members, Rolclub is now one off the largest hyip forums online.
http://www.rolclub.com/advertising.html


6)I believe that BoN will soon send the pips case further, and believe that from the moment this will be done, it all should take no more then 2 months at max. When this happens, i will send an update to all our members.

Best Regards

Marek
Admin"



Posted by: forwardone

The response from Bryan?

http://www.rolclub.com/showthread.php?p=61171#post61171

Quote:
Marek,

One I have nothing to report other than I am still working on everything 36 hours a day.

Two I have lost my login to rolclub

and three you trying to insite people to contact BON will do NOTHING except antagonise them and slow things down even more than they are. I am working on it!

Nobody is more frustrated and tired than me, I have had to live with a begging bowl for the past 6 months. With no access to any money at all, without a home, transport or a job.

Bryan




Posted by: Hardlyworkin

Not lookin real good at all.



Posted by: golddust

Seems he still believes the BON is the holy grail.



Posted by: Hardlyworkin

Here is the most recent post by Bryan on ROI Club:

"After reading the latest posts in response to Marek posting my email to him on this board. This will be my last post here until I have something positive to post. In this post I will address some of the comments being made.

1. I have never, contrary to what some people have posted ever denied my responsibility as ceo. I will say this though, I made a mistake of letting too much of the micro operation be handled by others, I had 160+ staff running the operations.

2. With respect to the comments on my not caring about the members, if I did not care I would have walked a long time ago.

3. For those that think I am living in luxury somewhere, if living in one rented room is luxury then I am.

4. I really do not have to answer this but I am surviving due to friends loaning me living expenses. Yes I did receive the donations kindly given by members but the lawyers take most of those.

5. With respect to the HA lotto site, the programmers have screwed up very badly, that is a lot of what I am working on along with other things. They have been a cause of great embarassment for me.

When I have something positive to report on anything I will come here and post again, but until then I will not.

Bryan"




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