Latest Stalling Tactics By Bryan At Rolclub

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Latest Stalling Tactics By Bryan At Rolclub
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Posted by: DontBefooled

The stalling tactics continue

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Just to explain a couple of points
Although there was no court case on 17 November, we are not free of BN yet, investigation is still ongoing.

With regard to the come back there will be parts that come up before others, but the timing of your existing pips account transfers will still be dependent on a few factors.

BN has to return our servers and documents when all this is over before we can reconcile any accounts.

Currently we have no staff left, they have to earn a living so all are gone, it is left to just Sharon and I to deal with at the moment and it is a monumental task.

When we do get it all back it will take some time to sort through it all and get it back in order.

This does not mean you will not be able to earn money in the meantime because you will.

The withdrawal problems will, under the new structure be eliminated, as they will be automated and only payable on a monthly, quarterly, 6 monthly, annual or maturity basis.

I would request that you all stop asking questions, because until we get closer to the BN situation being over and getting it all back together we are not in a position to answer them.

Thanks once again for your continued support it means a great deal to us.

Bryan
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Posted by: hawk

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Originally Posted by DontBefooled

The stalling tactics continue

This is not stalling tactics, this are good news.

Bryan is the man !!!!!

Posted by: Hardlyworkin

Don't think that he is stalling, why would he? He has nothing to gain by stalling at all. If he were someone like "X" and no one knew who he was stalling would give him a chance to get away but in this case that can't happen.

Posted by: value4money

He`s simply throwing the odd tid bit to his followers to keep them quiet. Maybe he hopes that the Bank will give him a clean bill of health, maybe he knows they won`t, but really it doesn`t matter. The money just isn`t there to pay everyone up to date with what he owes them with back interest as well.

How can he and his wife alone hope to sort out all the accounts of 1,000`s of members with all the staff gone?

Posted by: hawk

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Originally Posted by value4money

He`s simply throwing the odd tid bit to his followers to keep them quiet. Maybe he hopes that the Bank will give him a clean bill of health, maybe he knows they won`t, but really it doesn`t matter. The money just isn`t there to pay everyone up to date with what he owes them with back interest as well.

How can he and his wife alone hope to sort out all the accounts of 1,000`s of members with all the staff gone?

Bryan is one that knows all details and BNM is one that will decide final outcome and for you is to find out later.
You think he is stupid enough to lay out all what he has in mind ,so all the enemies out there will grab any info and turn it more twist stories and lies, as happened in past months.

So do not lay down some of your assumptions about PIPS has no money.
How do you know? Are you member of PIPS staff or is just your opinion.

PIPS has many businesses and revenues that are still as of today working and earning. BNM friezed only accounts at local level, and because of that, local money are not there for workers pay. We will get all staff back in time.

So please do not comment with assumption even so we respect your personal opinion, and state that way.

Posted by: value4money

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Originally Posted by hawk

So please do not comment with assumption even so we respect your personal opinion, and state that way.

hawk, almost everything that`s said at the moment is of necessity a `personal opinion` whether I say it, you say it, or anyone else says it. But, there ARE indisputable FACTS that are on record that can`t and shouldn`t be ignored.

Posted by: hawk

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Originally Posted by value4money

I would like to know any of those so call "records". I know most things in reference to whole situation and I can answer to any of those "records" if they have any bearing of value.

So far nothing is found improper, and if you know something that I do not know, please share with me.

If BNM found anything bad about PIPS, believe me PIPS would be closed long ago.

If you consider PIPS scam ( as this Mods here already changed title without proof) than PIPS would be in news all over the world. But since is not, you will not find anything anywhere.

Some USA states and few countries that issued C&D is reference to some individuals that maybe promoted PIPS( which Bryan was against from beginning). PIPS itself did not do anything wrong anyplace.

Posted by: Hardlyworkin

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Originally Posted by value4money

If cleared of the charges by BNM I'm sure that Bryan will rebuild and hire new staff but how long that will take remains to be seen. He has to be cleared of the charges first.

Posted by: forwardone

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Originally Posted by hawk

If you consider PIPS scam ( as this Mods here already changed title without proof) than PIPS would be in news all over the world. But since is not, you will not find anything anywhere.

As we were out of step with every other forum I know which has PIPS down as a Scam Program the Admin here decided to amend the title.

Just my 2 cents worth - Wouldn`t you say that one FACT that points to it being a scam is the lack of payments for months, even over one year for some members?

Posted by: Hardlyworkin

Anyone have Bryan's update from today Nov 29th that they can copy and paste here?

Posted by: Owen Platt

The most significant fact is that the Central Bank of Malaysia has effectively closed down the operation for three months. For a central bank to take such Draconian action is the most reliable indication of the status of a company. If it were merely an investigation, a survey of the audited accounts would be more than sufficient to establish its viability. Confiscating equipment and thus putting it out of business is not something that would be undertaken lightly or without justification.

Posted by: Owen Platt

Latest posting from Bryan Marsden on RolClub:

"After getting an update of the thefts from the various premises of the Bistro, Coffee House etc and found that they have now reached more than 1/2 Million in value as well as the devastation of the premises, you really do not know how uplifting it has been for us to read the posts in this forum.

Thank you all for your words of support and offers of help. We really appreciate the offers but until we get the 3 truckloads of documents back there is little that can be done on this front.

We have a contracted team working on the new programs for us and hopefully the first modules will be ready for implementation soon.

Bryan"

Rather begs the question as to how the contracted team are getting paid in view of the freezing of all the PIPS accounts.

Posted by: Hardlyworkin

Well Owen thanks for posting the update, it is appreciated.

Posted by: golddust

This-

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After getting an update of the thefts from the various premises of the Bistro, Coffee House etc and found that they have now reached more than 1/2 Million in value as well as the devastation of the premises,...Thank you all for your words of support and offers of help. We really appreciate the offers but until we get the 3 truckloads of documents back there is little that can be done on this front.

Negates this:

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PIPS has many businesses and revenues that are still as of today working and earning. BNM friezed only accounts at local level, and because of that, local money are not there for workers pay. We will get all staff back in time.

Which contraindicates this:

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We have a contracted team working on the new programs for us and hopefully the first modules will be ready for implementation soon.

Precludes this:

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The withdrawal problems will, under the new structure be eliminated, as they will be automated and only payable on a monthly, quarterly, 6 monthly, annual or maturity basis.

most definitely caused by this:

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The most significant fact is that the Central Bank of Malaysia has effectively closed down the operation for three months...Confiscating equipment and thus putting it out of business is not something that would be undertaken lightly or without justification..

I'm sorry, am I missing something here?

golddust

Posted by: Owen Platt

No, you haven't missed a thing, Golddust.

Posted by: hawk

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Originally Posted by forwardone

Just my 2 cents worth - Wouldn`t you say that one FACT that points to it being a scam is the lack of payments for months, even over one year for some members?

No, that is definitely no reason. It has been so many factors why payments are not made, but that is not proof of scam until is said so by authorities..

No place on earth, until today, was officially announced that PIPS is scam or illegal.

Investigation is ONLY in reference to Picpay legal activity.

Until is officially announced that PIPS is illegal or scam, you do not have right just from your opinion to claim it scam.

If you feel that way, since is your website, that why you advertise scam programs on your website. That is illegal too.

Posted by: forwardone

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Originally Posted by hawk

No place on earth, until today, was officially announced that PIPS is scam or illegal.

Come on now, what do you think Cease and Desist Orders are that are cropping up in one place after another?

http://www.web-life.org/vb/showthre...27&page=4&pp=20

Posted by: golddust

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Until is officially announced that PIPS is illegal or scam, you do not have right just from your opinion to claim it scam.

Hawk, everyone has the right to state their opinion, at least at this forum. Likewise some people at this point in time, may consider PIPs a "scam" whether or not it has "officially" been named one. And just my opinion, but many programs are called scams without an 'official' notice, as most do not have the fortune of 'official' scrutiny.

golddust

Posted by: hawk

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Originally Posted by forwardone

Come on now, what do you think Cease and Desist Orders are that are cropping up in one place after another?

http://www.web-life.org/vb/showthre...27&page=4&pp=20

I can see how much you know and how much you are informed.

C&D is only in reference for selling securities which was offered my some members and not PIPS itself. That is why PIPS close 5 year program to avoid future mis-presentation by members..

It has nothing to do with PIPS business legality. All other PIPS companies are perfectly legal. Picpay is only one that does not have proper license in Malaysia.
Gary N. was in charge of Picpay operations.

Well now you know.

Do not post statements without facts. You might ask questions, which is OK.

Posted by: hawk

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Originally Posted by golddust

Well ok, so per your statement if I call this place a scam it is OK.

My opinion........... would you feel hurt than?

Posted by: forwardone

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Originally Posted by hawk

Well ok, so per your statement if I call this place a scam it is OK.

My opinion........... would you feel hurt than?

If we broke our promises to our members, told lies, didn`t pay out on competitions etc then you`d be justified in calling us a scam. We`d also let others be the judge who`ve had past and present experience with us. Then if necessary we would argue our case to prove what we are.

This is all that`s happening with PIPS, yet the proof of it`s legitimacy just isn`t there.

Posted by: forwardone

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Originally Posted by hawk

hawk, clearly you are completely sold on PIPS, either through genuine belief, or desperate hope. Whichever doesn`t really matter. The fact remains that if PIPS was doing all that it had set out and promised to do they would have probably stayed under the radar as far as the authorites are concerned. Action was taken after a number of complaints were made by members who hadn`t been paid and started to regard PIPS as a scam. To a large extent PIPS has brought many of it`s problems upon itself.

I suggest that we now allow events to catch up and as we are now in December let`s wait and see what plans Bryan puts in to effect for the restoration of the program.

Posted by: DontBefooled

Don`t you find it strange that some people will accept anything PIPS throws at them, including `we know we haven`t paid you for a year, but soon, promise,` yet if their bank, or any other financial institution/ investment company, said the same thing they`d be screaming blue murder?

People must be much more relaxed about programs because they are online or something.

Posted by: golddust

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People must be much more relaxed about programs because they are online or something.

In the case of PIPs, people have become inured to hearing the same blah-blah-blah for so long that they just can't react any more. Relaxed? NO. Those with a lot of money in have either taken (some) action, waiting for 'action' or already written it off.

golddust

Posted by: golddust

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Well ok, so per your statement if I call this place a scam it is OK.

What Geoff posted

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is an excellent response.

But in addition, let me ask - isn't your question one of those "sarcastic" ones that gets thrown out of the Rolclub?

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If question has no meanings and also if is sarcastic than should be thrown out.

http://www.web-life.org/vb/t6049-.html

.... then I'm thinking you'd just better not throw out any more sarcasm around here dude. Geesh.

golddust

Posted by: hawk

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Originally Posted by forwardone

I would say that this place fits more to scam category than PIPS (Pips would never qualify for scam category), because this place advertise scam programs and you guys are misleading people by offer them such scam. Tell me if any of programs you allow be advertised here is regularly paying. I do not think you would find one that would pay you longer than 3 months. All HYIP programs are 2-3 month turnover. That is fact.

I made money in PIPS and got paid. It is sure many did not after January, but they will get paid and that is for sure.

Posted by: THEGODFATHER

Stalling might be the only thing they can do. The best thing is for them to sell off their CO. assets, and pawn their business off to a loyal HYI there by strengthening the competition and minimizing our baskets out there. I for one would have sent PIP's out with a bang to every HYI company out there, and then spreading 50% of the profits out to the members who lost the most. As always with any Legit CO. out there 50% of all investments and 50% of all returns should have been saved or returned immediatly to all members prior to this cases fall. I myself though shouldn't talk ego-tistically, just because I would have done things differently doesn't mean that I did, and therefore shouldn't act so modestly, for that I apologize to PIP's and it's supporters. I myself messed up significantly aswell. I put my trust overboard and on autopilot with PIP's from the beginning and lost my head towards the end of my investments with them. Luckily I make up for it with the programs I will be launching and the programs I help create. For PIP's I salute them for living the dream and sharing it with the world while they did.

Posted by: THEGODFATHER

While others give you 2-cents, I give you 3! and a canadian penny sometimes!

Posted by: Hardlyworkin

"I put my trust overboard and on autopilot with PIP's from the beginning and lost my head towards the end of my investments with them. "

You and tens of thousands of others THEGODFATHER.