Egold focus update

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Egold focus update
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Posted by: memorex

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This is an automated message, do not reply.

You have been paid 1.2% daily commision to your e-gold account according to
oil industries investments plan you have with Nine Offshore Investments
http://www.egoldfocus.com
More details you can learn from your account history.

News for August 19, 2003

Dear Investor, We are offering a five day premium rate investment week.
You can start earning 1.40% for you investment if you would add to your
ballance minimum $1000.00 during this 5 days.
This offer is valid from 08.19.2003 till 08.24.2003.
All your ballance would be switched to 1.40% daily if you would add
the necessary amount during the offer period.

Thank you,
Nine Offshore Investments.
http://www.egoldfocus.com

Posted by: awty

Interesting. Add $1,000 in the next 5 days, and returns increase.
Hmmmm. Guess I'll consider taking another look after about 10 days, maybe?
Jeff

Posted by: memorex

Although no one can be absolutely sure how any program is going to progress .

I think everyone has to bear in mind the lesson that everyone should have learned from our old friend Ezy Bucks and how they kept on adding incentives.

Which only attracted mans biggest fault greed, which they all tend to play on.

Till they decided to take a long holiday

) with everyones money .

Also it will take anyone approximately 71 days to recoup their initial deposit thats a long time to sweat over a $1000.00.

I am guessing that there were no takers on the $5000.00 incentive @2% lol!! Although the length of the odds were far better 50 days .

So they are dropping their entry fee level to see if that will get anybody interested.

My advice is if anyone plays, play with small amounts then you wont be too upset it if it fails.

regards
memorex

Posted by: awty

Good suggestions, Memorex! I've decided not to play with egoldfocus at all. It has many of the classic signs of a 'problem' program. It SEEMS to me that they MAY be trying to take advantage of, for lack of a better term, the 'DD movement'. Posting documents for all to see to build trust in a program, making payments at what may appear to be unsustainable levels, and introducing 'incentives' for the 'killer' money maker.
I wouldn't even venture to guess how long this will be in business at this point. But I have learned one thing over time. I can't lose money I don't spend. "The best way to double your money is to fold it in half and put it back in your pocket".
Jeff

Posted by: revolution

As awty has mentioned on a previous occasion, their are spelling mistakes in the utility bill...unless they just can't spell in Florida, which I very much doubt.

If you visit their forum, you'll find that there are people that are investing the $5000 and beyond.

It's all very sad. You know these people are going to lose, but they won't listen.

Have you seen their new...raunchy advert over at POG.net? They've even managed to successfully get noticeable grammar mistakes in the banner. "Why are this girls looking so happy?"

Just say no!

revolution

Posted by: memorex

Because of two major faults in the human race, one of which is (greed) and the other of course is the social disease to better your standard of living by escaping the rat race.

I am afraid it will not make one bit of difference how much you warn people .

They will still do the opposite of what you advise,In the hope that the next program will be their salvation .

Time and Time again I have seen this happen ,only to have to endure their moaning and complaining about how big a scam that the program was, after the event.

My attitude to any program which I invest in no matter what, is that I and I alone , can only be responsible for my own loss.

And it is too late to close the barn door after the horse has bolted

So at best we can do our job and do it to the best of our ability in the hope that if we save just one person a month it will be less dollars for the the scammer and dishonest admins.

regards
memorex

Posted by: awty

Memorex, good information, as always!

There are some of us that just HAVE to learn the hard way (Me, as an example). I didn't listen to people that had more experience than me, and was SURE that some of the programs that I was in would last, just because they were paying solidly. (WHAT? CAN'T BE! They HAVE to be investing! It says so on the site! Besides, would Chuck E. Ponzi (admin) lie to us? NO WAY!) Took me a few times (and quite a few $) to really wake me up to all that goes on 'out there'. I've also been a party and a witness to some long-termers trying to explain to 'newbies' that a program wouldn't last. And, they refused to even consider the possibility that the program would/could fail. They had 'it'. That same, unshakable faith (fueled by greed and inexperience) that it was 'THE' program that would make them millionaires in a year. The discussions of what to do with all of the untold wealth, the dreams... Then, the reality of the first non-payday. The horror. The shock. The disbelief. The frustration. The anger... The fretful postings. The inevitable 'investigation'. And, all of the other stuff that many of us here are familiar with.
I 'miss' now and then on a program, but nowhere near as much as I used to, thanks in LARGE part to forums like these, where (hopefully) intelligent discussion and the experience of others can be learned, and possibly put to use.
I know it's saved me a bunch. Thank you to all who choose to post.
It's APPRECIATED! Even the tiniest bit of information can be useful, at some point.

Anyway, thank you for allowing me to be here, and learn.
Jeff

Posted by: memorex

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Originally Posted by awty

Memorex, good information, as always!

There are some of us that just HAVE to learn the hard way (Me, as an example). I didn't listen to people that had more experience than me, and was SURE that some of the programs that I was in would last, just because they were paying solidly. (WHAT? CAN'T BE! They HAVE to be investing! It says so on the site! Besides, would Chuck E. Ponzi (admin) lie to us? NO WAY!) Took me a few times (and quite a few $) to really wake me up to all that goes on 'out there'. I've also been a party and a witness to some long-termers trying to explain to 'newbies' that a program wouldn't last. And, they refused to even consider the possibility that the program would/could fail. They had 'it'. That same, unshakable faith (fueled by greed and inexperience) that it was 'THE' program that would make them millionaires in a year. The discussions of what to do with all of the untold wealth, the dreams... Then, the reality of the first non-payday. The horror. The shock. The disbelief. The frustration. The anger... The fretful postings. The inevitable 'investigation'. And, all of the other stuff that many of us here are familiar with.
I 'miss' now and then on a program, but nowhere near as much as I used to, thanks in LARGE part to forums like these, where (hopefully) intelligent discussion and the experience of others can be learned, and possibly put to use.
I know it's saved me a bunch. Thank you to all who choose to post.
It's APPRECIATED! Even the tiniest bit of information can be useful, at some point.

Anyway, thank you for allowing me to be here, and learn.
Jeff

You are not alone I myself have had to go through the same learning curve and anyone that says they didnt I dont believe them.

The longer you do this the smarter you get admittedly there are still times when we get caught no one is above this.

You only have to recall the programs that have failed or closed this year alone to answer that question.

I doubt if there were many people that can say they escaped without some form of loss.

That is why I always advocate getting your initial deposit back as quickly as possible then you are only losing there money which doesnt seem so bad.

regards
memorex

Posted by: awty

Yes, I'm sure most of us have had some 'misses' this year. Between 2 of my big mistakes, I think it's likely to delay some of my long term plans for quite a while.

"You are not alone I myself have had to go through the same learning curve and anyone that says they didnt I dont believe them."

I definitely agree on that one, and find that to be useful criteria when evaluating posts from people.

Jeff

Posted by: memorex

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We remind you our program is a private program. And it's appreciated to rate
our program on those sites. Special system tracks all the votes there and gives
daily reports to the administrator who can make a desicion of cancelling one's
investment with eGoldFocus with refunding all the invested assets.
Or he can manually switch active rating investors to the new 1.40% progressive
rate. It's your choice.

Automated notification system.

Well I have never had a warning to vote or be shown the door

)
this is the latest robot message that fell on my mat today they have got to be kidding vote or get kicked out and the voters that promote will get a higher rate how mercenary is that .
regards
memorex

Posted by: awty

First of all, this is just MY OPINION!

Well, the above just 'nailed' it for me. I think I've got a pretty good idea what's going on there now. Thanks, Memorex!

I would LOVE to see the 'special system' that's tracking paid postings. I personally don't believe it exists, but if I'm wrong, I'm sure we can expect to see more of that system (wink).

I was going to check back in 10 days from the 20th to see how it was going. Already have my answer.

Mercenary, indeed! Post or be gone? (For a full refund?)

Not a sign of high respect towards members, in my opinion. I REALLY don't like doing business with organizations that treat their customers in this manner.

1.4% PROGRESSIVE if posting paid? Interesting!

New spends coming in a little slower than wanted (needed?) perhaps?

Since there are people waiting to meet 'Dr. Gates' upon his return, and some who, if the meeting(s) is/are successful, would likely drop some larger spends in, why resort to an action like this?

Usually something like this is a sign of possible problems, in my short experience.

Hopefully I won't be one of the ones screaming if this program fails, for whatever reason.

And, this is just my OPINION, NOT based on verifiable facts...
Jeff

Posted by: neo

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Special system tracks

Their SST sounds more like ESP

In my humble opinion the government/army/air force/navy would love this system. It could tell them what is going on without any facts. :-"

Most people do NOT use the same ID's at rating sites as they do in a particular program, mainly because all the cool ID's are taken long before the current people join a program. Even if 3/4 of the people used simular/same ID's (&email addr) at both the rating site and program, it would STILL BE IMPOSSIBLE TO MATCH THE OTHERS. Sounds like :-({|= for this program

Neo

Its my humble opinion and I will eat humble pie if its wrong :-&

Posted by: memorex

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Originally Posted by neo

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Special system tracks

My only opinion on this is they may be tracking the IP address if this is the case.
I would like to know why the rating sites involved are passing on this information to an outside source.
Because that is about the only way it would be possible is to track the IP address and match it up with the nickname
But in my view it would be a long winded way they only need to ask me and I will tell them who I am.

).
Anyway I think that it now shows with what you are dealing with here and I agree with awty on this.
They must be getting really anxious regards the returns so beware I believe I said we should remember the EZy bucks lesson earlier.
regards
memorex

Posted by: neo

Even tracking ip addresses would only be best for "always on" connections, and even then with many ADSL and DSL and cable ISP changing customer's ip regularly it is a difficult job at best to be accurate.

My estimate would be that they could only match 25% at most accurately this way and estimate using subnet addresses for another 50% and guess for the rest.

As the basis for kicking people out , its a very poor method.

POG actually records the information made available by your browser (& ip) to help them identify people with multiple user id's. But even then they get it wrong. For most forum sites and web based email services, the ip recorded is the transparent proxy used by many broadband ISPs. Optusnet cable being a notable example, so ip addresses for POG were a big problem.

I tend to agree with memorex and awty about this being a statement of their troubles more than a statement of fact.

Neo

Posted by: jaboles

LOL

I think this takes the cake when it comes to outrageous admins

Posted by: memorex

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Automatic voting system tracks your votes on the three voting sites:
http://www.goldclubs.org
listed as: "Serious investments to oil...."
http://www.goldgames.org
listed as: "Serious investments to oil...."
http://www.poolofgold.net
listed as: "Gold Focus..."

Users who vote daily receive positive points - the fast way for new progressive
higher daily payout rate. Those who don't vote receive negative points.

Daily voting increases your positive point. Every end of month the system sends the
report for the top-manager to choose the investors to switch to the new higher rate.
Managers choose the most active voters first.

Thank you,
Nine Offshore Investments.
http://www.egoldfocus.com

Posted by: memorex

This link will take you to the D D information on Egolfocus I wouldnt normally post this but as it is already common knowledge I am allowing you the chance to pick the holes in this one .
regards
memorex

http://www.geocities.com/jameshay946/egoldfocus.htm

Posted by: jaboles

Hmmm, interesting indeed. The docs don't look like they were photoshopped, so it's most likely they're not his. Has anyone managed to check if his IP is from Florida?