Which e-currency exchanger?

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Which e-currency exchanger?
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Posted by: gnome

Hi all,

I wanted to exchange e-gold to e-bullion through Capitalex.com but it took them too long and I asked them to return my funds.
Whom would you recommend?

Thanks.

gnome

Posted by: Hardlyworkin

I've used this on successfully often
https://www.goldex.net/ the fee is: From e-gold to E-Bullion 3% or 2 USD Minimum

Posted by: gnome

Thank you, Hardlyworkin.

You may feel that you are Hardlyworkin, but I for one feel you are one of those people who can never be caught idle.

gnome

Posted by: golddust

I hope you did get your funds back from Capitalex!!

I agree with HW, I have often used Goldex, and they are very efficient. You can find a link to a list of exchangers on the e-gold home page. You can also do a 'google' search and get good results that way.

golddust

Posted by: gnome

Quote:

Originally Posted by golddust

I hope you did get your funds back from Capitalex!!

I agree with HW, I have often used Goldex, and they are very efficient. You can find a link to a list of exchangers on the e-gold home page. You can also do a 'google' search and get good results that way.

golddust

Yes, my funds were returned as soon as I canceled my order.
You sound as if someone you know was less lucky with Capitalex than me.

Thanks for the info, Golddust.

I'd like to share something with you - I've just invested in a good program - let me know if you feel like having a look - I understand I am allowed to provide the link to decent folks on request.

gnome

Posted by: golddust

Hi gnome,

I have a very low opinion of the Capitalex operation, and when there are some many good and proven exchangers, there's really no reason to mess with them. From one day to the next it seems there are posts of some people happy, and others posting 'scam' with Capitalex.

Since you think I am a 'decent folk', pm sent concerning your PP.

golddust

Posted by: Doro Ajani

I can recommend the Bullion Exchange and AutoCambist:

https://www.autocambist.com/

http://thebullionexchange.com/

Posted by: yangyang

I want to gnome how you convinced capitalex to refund your cash....they are still holding on to my 10,085.55 usd. Everyone should please help me get my money back
please I need to know how to get my money back

Posted by: gnome

Yangyang,
Have you tried a yinyang approach?
I've successfully exchanged about $10K with Capitalex.
If you want me to help you, feel free to PM me the details of your transaction.

gnome

Posted by: golddust

yangyang, welcome to Weblife. Terrible to hear of your troubles with Capitalex. There is a thread at TG where the Capitalex admin or reps post often due to so many ongoing complaints. You might want to make a post there:
http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showt...?t=31002&page=1

Thanks also gnome for offering to help!

golddust

Posted by: Hardlyworkin

Welcome to our forum yangyang glad to have you with us. Hope you get your problems with Capitalex sorted out.

Posted by: gnome

Hi all,

Yangyang PMed me and his problem was conveyed to Capitalex.
Well, guess what, he PMed me again and said his bank is in receipt of communication from Capitalex - the problem is being resolved.

Must say that Web Life is a rich source of emotions.

gnome

Yangyang, if you actually receive da boodle - do let us know.

Posted by: golddust

Quote:

Must say that Web Life is a rich source of emotions.

gnome, you are an emotional guy (?). Don't go getting all va-klemp now. I think this must be a compliment, though it would be our purpose to save HYIPers from themselves

,
it does have to include salvation from Capitalex.

golddust

Posted by: gnome

Quote:

Originally Posted by golddust

Thanks also gnome for offering to help!

golddust

You are welcome Golddust,

gnome

Posted by: gnome

Quote:

Originally Posted by golddust

gnome, you are an emotional guy (?). Don't go getting all va-klemp now. I think this must be a compliment, though it would be our purpose to save HYIPers from themselves

,
it does have to include salvation from Capitalex.

golddust

Suppression of emotions used to be a popular pastime, Golddust.
Then it was discovered that they are the only source of vitally needed type of energy. On the other hand, violent emotional outbursts are clearly destructive,
so I am glad we've been able to help Yangyang to get his money back.

gnome

Posted by: yangyang

what I want to know is... what you all here(forum) do with your funds in e-gold and other e-currency
is there anything like investment in hyip that can hold water?
Do you just sit around here and give away money to fraudsters who promise heaven to you all
Are you idle investors?
I need answers
I really need answers

Posted by: golddust

yangyang, we (all) are here trying to gleen as much information as we can each day to find avenues and programs to improve 'chances' of finding secure programs to spend our gold. It is a never ending vigil. It is commonly believed that 95-99% of all online earning opportunities are either scams or will run a certain life span. Even MLM programs continue to evolve as the market and members needs vary. Where ever you may place your money to invest, it is necessary to continue to look for places to diversify and reinvest, as the lifetime of older programs become more chancy. So, yes, there are always investment programs that hold 'water' for a time.
Overtime, it appears to me that some longer term 'real' investment opportunities are arriving online, tapping into this ever growing market of people around the world who are working quietly to build some wealth. At the same time, many people are realizing gains from short term, risky games and ponzis. Some choose this continuum as an alternative income source, however very labor intensive.
As quickly as money is being made there is also the risk of fraudsters, like Capitalex, government interference and scammers the world over who have decided thievery is the best way to earn a living. Given all the variables, it doesn't seem like an opportune venue, but if it wasn't, people wouldn't be here. Trial and error is a strong component; I believe most online investors find a niche they can excel in, like forex trading or sports arbitrage, or ecurrency exchange.... some place offering an opportunity to take control of providing a directly related income.
My thoughts anyway.

golddust

Posted by: yangyang

that was superb goldust
you are a good teacher..but do you know of any hyip that's worth investing in now?
that's at least had reputation of over 1 year...and list your strategies prior to investing in these programms....also...i'ld be glad if you can inform me of.....your present state as regards hyip programmx...are u at loss or gain at present?

Posted by: golddust

Thanks yangyang,

I've been around this HYIP, MLM, biz opp, online earnings area for about 5 years. I have seen many 'things' over the course of time. I am amazed at the programs people get into, and some of the things going on, from scammers to cheaters, there is a lot of energy going into making or taking a living, or just extra money.
First strategy is to read many forums, blogs, newsletters etc., and information you find credible and learn all the time; the more you do, the easier it becomes to spot scams and good programs. Learning how to do some technical DD, (whois, IP lookup, DNS site research), is a good skill to have when you are seriously interested in a program so that you can try to check up on the admin location, phone# etc. Joining DD groups is extremely useful!
Second part of the strategy is to use people you trust on forums and elsewhere as 'scouts' or sounding boards to help assess a program.
Third, since 99 % are scams, never get too comfortable with 'trusting a program' or admins;
Fourth, follow the HYIP golden rules starting with - never spend more than you can afford to lose and, always take out your principle -- take control over the 'greed factor';
Fifth, after in profit, YOU decide how much to reinvest or spend else where;
Sixth, sometimes, take chances; (if you always do the same things, expect the same results; sometimes - surprise yourself!);
Seventh, enjoy your profits!
The programs I most recommend are the ones I openly discuss or inquire about here or elsewhere, but I do play risks, and you won't find them in my Sig, and rarely in discussion.
As to being ahead, after these years I admit I have had to recover from newbie mistakes and from risky plays, but what do you think?

... You can feel free to email me if you need some suggestions.

golddust

Posted by: candy

You might want to consider starting with pooled investments until you have a feel for the HYIP world.
A place to start would be in the Sensa folder here at Web-life
Gold-horizons also has a pool available in the advanced section (annual fee required)

Posted by: gnome

Yangyang,

There is a good question, "Is the world for me or am I for the world?"
The guys who really opt for the latter are few and far between, but they are (or gradually become)
stronger than the rest of humankind taken together.
I know 2 program admins that you could watch and understand what I am talking about.

It's Luke (Hyipeffect) and Nair (Lifebuoypips).

Some info here:
http://www.web-life.org/vb/t7554-.html
http://www.web-life.org/vb/showthre...35908#post35908

Take care!

gnome

Posted by: yangyang

Golddust!
I think you are amazing
You are a good teacher
You did say something about
whois, IP lookup, DNS site research
I know how to do all these
what's the relavance?
what do i do with the ip address
whois information?
dns site research ...this i do not know
okay! in simple term....tell me what and what i need not do while investing in any program....that's for golddust
as for gnome....you seem to know too much
what are your strategies?
I run a paralegal firm and I have a great experience in gambling
that's what hyip seems to me....I need to get aquainted with the basic strategies
and in simple term....I am not english.....but at least i feel i have a good gramatical syntax.....I hope I have tried to make myself a little bit clear with my desires golddust
again goldust....I know what capitalex is all about (fraud) you adviced that i run whois and ip and dns site research...do this for me and tell me what the results are ....and why I should stay away...I want them used as an example....thx
thank you all

Posted by: yangyang

seems like no one is visiting anymore...amazing...waited for answers....I don't know the rules ...have i violated any of the rules....why can't I get answers?
cheers

Posted by: golddust

yangyang, NO you have certainly NOT violated any rules.
I just sent you a pm to help you with some of the specifics you would like help with.
In order to stay on topic, here is the "Lookup" info on Capitalex:

Quote:

canonical name capitalex.com.
aliases
addresses 202.157.176.93

s
Registrant:
Capitalex.com Inc.
World Trade Center, Piso 1
Area Comercial, Calle 53
Panama City, PA 00000
Panama
Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: CAPITALEX.COM
Created on: 26-Sep-03
Expires on: 26-Sep-06
Last Updated on: 16-Sep-05

Administrative Contact:
Administrator, Domain
Capitalex.com Inc.
World Trade Center, Piso 1
Area Comercial, Calle 53
Panama City, PA 00000
Panama
2736276 Fax --

Technical Contact:
Administrator, Domain
Capitalex.com Inc.
World Trade Center, Piso 1
Area Comercial, Calle 53
Panama City, PA 00000
Panama
2736276 Fax --

Domain servers in listed order:
NS5.SECURE-WEBHOSTING.COM
NS6.SECURE-WEBHOSTING.COM

Whois Server Version 1.3

Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.

Domain Name: CAPITALEX.COM
Registrar: GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC.
Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
Name Server: NS5.SECURE-WEBHOSTING.COM
Name Server: NS6.SECURE-WEBHOSTING.COM
Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
Updated Date: 17-sep-2005
Creation Date: 26-sep-2003
Expiration Date: 26-sep-2006

>>> Last update of whois database: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:40:57 EST <<<

And this is the DNS Report:

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DNS Report for Capitalex.com
Generated by www.DNSreport.com at 02:22:46 GMT on 24 Mar 2006.
Category Status Test Name Information
Parent PASS Missing Direct Parent check OK. Your direct parent zone exists, which is good. Some domains (usually third or fourth level domains, such as example.co.us) do not have a direct parent zone ('co.us' in this example), which is legal but can cause confusion.
INFO NS records at parent servers Your NS records at the parent servers are:

ns5.secure-webhosting.com. [202.186.13.208] [TTL=172800] [MY]
ns6.secure-webhosting.com. [202.157.184.113] [TTL=172800] [SG]

[These were obtained from m.gtld-servers.net]
PASS Parent nameservers have your nameservers listed OK. When someone uses DNS to look up your domain, the first step (if it doesn't already know about your domain) is to go to the parent servers. If you aren't listed there, you can't be found. But you are listed there.
PASS Glue at parent nameservers OK. The parent servers have glue for your nameservers. That means they send out the IP address of your nameservers, as well as their host names.
PASS DNS servers have A records OK. All your DNS servers either have A records at the zone parent servers, or do not need them (if the DNS servers are on other TLDs). A records are required for your hostnames to ensure that other DNS servers can reach your DNS servers. Note that there will be problems if your DNS servers do not have these same A records.
NS INFO NS records at your nameservers Your NS records at your nameservers are:

ns6.secure-webhosting.com.
ns5.secure-webhosting.com.

FAIL Open DNS servers ERROR: One or more of your nameservers reports that it is an open DNS server. This usually means that anyone in the world can query it for domains it is not authoritative for (it is possible that the DNS server advertises that it does recursive lookups when it does not, but that shouldn't happen). This can cause an excessive load on your DNS server. Also, it is strongly discouraged to have a DNS server be both authoritative for your domain and be recursive (even if it is not open), due to the potential for cache poisoning (with no recursion, there is no cache, and it is impossible to poison it). Also, the bad guys could use your DNS server as part of an attack, by forging their IP address. Problem record(s) are:
Server 202.186.13.208 reports that it will do recursive lookups. [test]
Server 202.157.184.113 reports that it will do recursive lookups. [test]

See this page for info on closing open DNS servers.

PASS Mismatched glue OK. The DNS report did not detect any discrepancies between the glue provided by the parent servers and that provided by your authoritative DNS servers.
PASS No NS A records at nameservers OK. Your nameservers do include corresponding A records when asked for your NS records. This ensures that your DNS servers know the A records corresponding to all your NS records.
PASS All nameservers report identical NS records OK. The NS records at all your nameservers are identical.
PASS All nameservers respond OK. All of your nameservers listed at the parent nameservers responded.
PASS Nameserver name validity OK. All of the NS records that your nameservers report seem valid (no IPs or partial domain names).
PASS Number of nameservers OK. You have 2 nameservers. You must have at least 2 nameservers (RFC2182 section 5 recommends at least 3 nameservers), and preferably no more than 7.
PASS Lame nameservers OK. All the nameservers listed at the parent servers answer authoritatively for your domain.
PASS Missing (stealth) nameservers OK. All 2 of your nameservers (as reported by your nameservers) are also listed at the parent servers.
PASS Missing nameservers 2 OK. All of the nameservers listed at the parent nameservers are also listed as NS records at your nameservers.
PASS No CNAMEs for domain OK. There are no CNAMEs for Capitalex.com. RFC1912 2.4 and RFC2181 10.3 state that there should be no CNAMEs if an NS (or any other) record is present.
PASS No NSs with CNAMEs OK. There are no CNAMEs for your NS records. RFC1912 2.4 and RFC2181 10.3 state that there should be no CNAMEs if an NS (or any other) record is present.
PASS Nameservers on separate class C's OK. You have nameservers on different Class C (technically, /24) IP ranges. You must have nameservers at geographically and topologically dispersed locations. RFC2182 3.1 goes into more detail about secondary nameserver location.
PASS All NS IPs public OK. All of your NS records appear to use public IPs. If there were any private IPs, they would not be reachable, causing DNS delays.
PASS TCP Allowed OK. All your DNS servers allow TCP connections. Although rarely used, TCP connections are occasionally used instead of UDP connections. When firewalls block the TCP DNS connections, it can cause hard-to-diagnose problems.
INFO Nameservers versions Your nameservers have the following versions:

202.186.13.208: "9.2.3"
202.157.184.113: "9.2.3"

PASS Stealth NS record leakage Your DNS servers do not leak any stealth NS records (if any) in non-NS requests.
SOA INFO SOA record Your SOA record [TTL=3600] is:
Primary nameserver: ns6.secure-webhosting.com.
Hostmaster E-mail address: admin.secure-webhosting.com.
Serial #: 1119496617
Refresh: 7200
Retry: 3600
Expire: 604800
Default TTL: 3600

PASS NS agreement on SOA serial # OK. All your nameservers agree that your SOA serial number is 1119496617. That means that all your nameservers are using the same data (unless you have different sets of data with the same serial number, which would be very bad)! Note that the DNS Report only checks the NS records listed at the parent servers (not any stealth servers).

PASS SOA MNAME Check OK. Your SOA (Start of Authority) record states that your master (primary) name server is: ns6.secure-webhosting.com.. That server is listed at the parent servers, which is correct.

PASS SOA RNAME Check OK. Your SOA (Start of Authority) record states that your DNS contact E-mail address is: admin@secure-webhosting.com. (techie note: we have changed the initial '.' to an '@' for display purposes).
WARN SOA Serial Number WARNING: Your SOA serial number is: 1119496617. That is OK, but the recommended format (per RFC1912 2.2) is YYYYMMDDnn, where 'nn' is the revision. For example, if you are making the 3rd change on 02 May 2000, you would use 2000050203. This number must be incremented every time you make a DNS change.

Your SOA serial appears to be the number of seconds since midnight 01 Jan 1970 when the last DNS change was made (tinydns format). That works out to be Wed Jun 22 23:16:57 2005 EST.
PASS SOA REFRESH value OK. Your SOA REFRESH interval is : 7200 seconds. This seems normal (about 3600-7200 seconds is good if not using DNS NOTIFY; RFC1912 2.2 recommends a value between 1200 to 43200 seconds (20 minutes to 12 hours)). This value determines how often secondary/slave nameservers check with the master for updates.
PASS SOA RETRY value OK. Your SOA RETRY interval is : 3600 seconds. This seems normal (about 120-7200 seconds is good). The retry value is the amount of time your secondary/slave nameservers will wait to contact the master nameserver again if the last attempt failed.
PASS SOA EXPIRE value OK. Your SOA EXPIRE time: 604800 seconds. This seems normal (about 1209600 to 2419200 seconds (2-4 weeks) is good). RFC1912 recommends 2-4 weeks. This is how long a secondary/slave nameserver will wait before considering its DNS data stale if it can't reach the primary nameserver.
PASS SOA MINIMUM TTL value OK. Your SOA MINIMUM TTL is: 3600 seconds. This seems normal (about 3,600 to 86400 seconds or 1-24 hours is good). RFC2308 suggests a value of 1-3 hours. This value used to determine the default (technically, minimum) TTL (time-to-live) for DNS entries, but now is used for negative caching.
MX FAIL MX Category ERROR: I couldn't find any MX records for Capitalex.com. If you want to receive E-mail on this domain, you should have MX record(s). Without any MX records, mailservers should attempt to deliver mail to the A record for Capitalex.com. I can't continue in a case like this, so I'm assuming you don't receive mail on this domain.
Mail FAIL Connect to mail servers ERROR: I could not find any mailservers for Capitalex.com.
WWW
INFO WWW Record Your www.Capitalex.com A record is:

www.capitalex.com. A 202.157.176.93 [TTL=3600] [SG]

PASS All WWW IPs public OK. All of your WWW IPs appear to be public IPs. If there were any private IPs, they would not be reachable, causing problems reaching your web site.
PASS CNAME Lookup OK. Some domains have a CNAME record for their WWW server that requires an extra DNS lookup, which slightly delays the initial access to the website and use extra bandwidth. There are no CNAMEs for www.Capitalex.com, which is good.

Legend:

Rows with a FAIL indicate a problem that in most cases really should be fixed.
Rows with a WARN indicate a possible minor problem, which often is not worth pursuing.

Note that all information is accessed in real-time (except where noted), so this is the freshest information about your domain.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(C) Copyright 2000-2006 DNSstuff.com

Quote:

Traceroute Report:
Traceroute
1 83.138.166.2 (83.138.166.2) 0.457 ms 0.445 ms 0.417 ms
2 g3-13.core1.lon.rackspace.net (83.138.138.84) 0.249 ms 0.250 ms 0.247 ms
3 g1-2.edge3.lon.rackspace.net (83.138.138.34) 0.945 ms 0.913 ms 0.864 ms
4 peer1.ldn1.flagtel.com (195.66.224.146) 0.948 ms 0.951 ms 1.016 ms
5 so-2-2-0.0.cjr02.ldn001.flagtel.com (62.216.128.197) 1.422 ms 1.400 ms 1.370 ms
MPLS Label=129920 CoS=5 TTL=1 S=0
6 so-2-2-0.cjr02.alx001.flagtel.com (62.216.128.5) 76.834 ms 71.239 ms 77.021 ms
MPLS Label=190466 CoS=5 TTL=1 S=0
7 ge-1-0-0.0.cjr01.alx001.flagtel.com (62.216.128.161) 71.299 ms 72.190 ms 71.454 ms
MPLS Label=147299 CoS=5 TTL=1 S=0
8 so-3-3-0.0.cjr03.hkg003.flagtel.com (62.216.128.222) 210.409 ms 210.035 ms 210.536 ms
MPLS Label=390816 CoS=5 TTL=1 S=0
9 so-0-0-0.0.cjr04.hkg003.flagtel.com (62.216.128.106) 210.309 ms 211.214 ms 209.874 ms
10 62.216.146.38 (62.216.146.38) 212.745 ms 62.216.146.242 (62.216.146.242) 211.709 ms 216.917 ms
11 global.hgc.com.hk (218.189.8.217) 214.257 ms 320.430 ms 213.773 ms
12 global.hgc.com.hk (218.189.12.158) 228.900 ms 213.621 ms 218.887 ms
13 p5-1-0.bkj2.jaring.my (161.142.24.57) 252.024 ms 245.768 ms 246.840 ms
14 ge-4-0.bkj93.jaring.my (161.142.173.9) 251.278 ms 246.965 ms 246.259 ms
15 pos0-0-0.mup15.jaring.my (161.142.23.170) 246.494 ms 245.984 ms 246.852 ms
16 161.142.81.46 (161.142.81.46) 247.201 ms 246.304 ms 247.135 ms
17 csw4-my-idc.skali.net (202.186.213.3) 246.444 ms 247.374 ms 247.757 ms
18 ns5.secure-webhosting.com (202.186.13.208) 246.229 ms 247.088 ms 248.104 ms

And lastly, here are previous scams found with the same IP address (matching first 3 sets of numbers):
202.157.176.93 -http://www.capitalex.com

202.157.176.148
http://www.1fcs.com

202.157.176.152
http://www.safetysurf.net/

202.157.176.230
http://www.fexa.net

202.157.176.232
http://www.goldinv.com
http://www.goldcatch.com
http://www.stableinvest.com
http://www.nexinvest.com

202.157.176.234
http://www.cashbuild.net

If you really want to get serious about a program, these are some of the things to take into consideration.

Capitalex has many red flags; but the most obvious are the previous scams that have resided on the host. What you choose as most important will vary upon how well you understand the DNS report and traceroute.
Some undesireable things show up there as well.

golddust

Posted by: gnome

Yangyang,
You ain't transgressed any of my rules, either.

I've been busy raising money to help 2 American Pipsters - one rolled her car after a diabetic blackout - fractured her face, broke her arm and is in hospital, and the other one is losing her home.
I want to invest the funds in Hyips with honest admins that I know - to be able to both provide the badly needed support and repay the borrowed funds in 3 months with at least 15% monthly return.
More info on Kozmar and Joanie in Pipster Support Forum .
My e-gold account: 685789(gnome). Thanks.

gnome

ps To stay on topic: if you need an e-currency exchanger, I would recommend thebullionexchange.com.

MOD NOTE: NOT GOOD TO PUBLICIZE YOUR EGOLD ACCOUNT; AND PLEASE DON'T MAKE REFERENCES TO LINK IN YOUR SIG.
Thanks - won't happen again

Posted by: yangyang

It's gonna take ages to absorb all these anyway thx goldust...thank you all

Posted by: gnome

Many Pipsters are hard up nowadays.
Still - help is coming!
I am very grateful.
Could use 30 times more, though.
So I just keep reinvesting in Luke's program - 9.5% daily - our active deposit has grown to $291.10.

Goldeneye - $6.00 Help fund,
Treasurehunter1 - $100.00 Gift towards needs of members,
Stride2win - $5.15 Gift for hope
destiny - $5.00 - donation from destiny
Pipsqueak - $2.58 - help/relief fund
Treasurhunter1 - $50.00 from: Treasurhunter1
Spudkicker - $60.00 Hope this helps

Thanks very much.

To stay on topic, I have never been let down by IceGold.com.
Very good exchangers.

gnome

Posted by: golddust

gnome:

I think it would be a good idea for you to either add this Pipster Support information in the Pips thread or create a 'Discussion thread' for others to participate in.
In either event, this information -

Quote:

Many Pipsters are hard up nowadays.
Still - help is coming!
I am very grateful.
Could use 30 times more, though.
So I just keep reinvesting in Luke's program - 9.5% daily - our active deposit has grown to $291.10.

Goldeneye - $6.00 Help fund,
Treasurehunter1 - $100.00 Gift towards needs of members,
Stride2win - $5.15 Gift for hope
destiny - $5.00 - donation from destiny
Pipsqueak - $2.58 - help/relief fund
Treasurhunter1 - $50.00 from: Treasurhunter1
Spudkicker - $60.00 Hope this helps

Thanks very much.

... doesn't belong in this thread at all.
Twice you have tacked on a sentence to "OT" your post, once you suggested the bullion exchange, and most recently Ice Gold. It would be helpful to know how many transactions, for how much (approx), and how long it took for exchanges to occur etc, if you are going to add value to this thread.
Please be considerate; those who are looking for PIPs information won't be looking in this thread, and those who are interested in exchange information, aren't interested in Pipster information.

golddust

Posted by: Capitalex.com

Dear golddust,

The Capitalex.com website is hosted by http://www.spirit-international.net (an offshore hosting company).

Apparently we are not their only client. They accept e-currencies, therefore it seems that many businesses, individuals, and programs that accept e-currencies make use of their hosting services.

If you have any questions about their other clients you should contact them directly. They will be able to confirm that we had nothing to do with these other clients.

Posted by: golddust

Thank you Capitalex.com for the additional information. So while Capitalex has a physical presence in Panama, this is the geolocation I find concerning your servers:

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IP: 202.157.176.93
Country: Singapore
City: Colombo, Central
Country Code: SG
Merchant Note: Country may have high rate of fraud [1]
Currency: SGD [Singapore Dollars]
Private IP? No
Known Proxy? No
IP address: 202.157.176.93
Reverse DNS: w1.capitalex.net.
Reverse DNS authenticity: [Verified]
ASN: 17464
ASN Name: TMIDC-AP (Hosting Services (MYLOCA),)
IP range connectivity: 1
Registrar (per ASN): APNIC
Country (per IP registrar): SG [Singapore]
Country Currency: SGD [Singapore Dollars]
Country IP Range: 202.157.128.0 to 202.157.191.255
Country fraud profile: High
City (per outside source): Colombo, Central
Private (internal) IP? No
IP address registrar: BOGUS
Known Proxy? No
% [whois.apnic.net node-2]
% Whois data copyright terms http://www.apnic.net/db/dbcopyright.html

inetnum: 202.157.176.0 - 202.157.176.255
netname: ACME-INTERNET-DATA-CENTER-3
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descr: Web hosting & Email Hosting
descr: IDC-3 Cyberjaya, Malaysia
admin-c: FW90-AP
tech-c: FW90-AP
status: ASSIGNED NON-PORTABLE
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mnt-by: MAINT-SG-WEBVISIONS
source: APNIC

person: Wong Fook Seong
nic-hdl: FW90-AP
e-mail: ****@acmecommerce.com
address: Acme Commerce Sdn Bhd
address: Cyberjaya
phone: +60-3-9281-9329
phone: +60-19-2102-813
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country: MY
changed: *****@webvisions.com 20030331
mnt-by: MAINT-SG-WEBVISIONS
source: APNIC

The fact that the business location is in Panama, however hosted from Mayalsia does raise certain concerns since as reported (and known), the criminal element has more control in many cases then the governing bodies. Perhaps this choice of host, rather than the other programs being hosted there would be the appropriate answer to concerns over hosting associated with "Scam" programs.
In addition, there have been other reports of non-payment or payment avoidance by Capitalex apparently unresolved. The problem mentioned here is not an isolated event and should not discharge the other problems Capitalex appears to have in completing exchanges.
Furthermore, the association with Global Vantage as recognized by many frustrated investors can not be ignored, but I would love more clarity. Should there be a distinction made in ownership, management, or administration?

golddust

Posted by: Capitalex.com

Dear golddust,

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Can you rephrase that? What are you trying to say?

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In addition, there have been other reports of non-payment or payment avoidance by Capitalex apparently unresolved. The problem mentioned here is not an isolated event and should not discharge the other problems Capitalex appears to have in completing exchanges.

Like most large exchangers we receive some complaints and we do our best to address and resolve them as quickly as possible.

We also receive an unfair share of invalid complaints mostly due to two different reasons:

1) Because we exposed INTGold as a scam as early as November 2004, which upset many scammers who were using INTGold as their primary source of income. We knew we would make quite a few enemies but our conscience forced us to go public with our experience so we could warn the tens of thousands of innocent investors who were using INTGold at that time.

2) Because we fight and expose scammers who try to abuse our services and scam us. We don't just pay lip service like most other exchangers... we really mean it and we are very up-front about that, but every now and then some newbie scammer or phisher will try it anyway and then he is surprised if his account is frozen or if he is caught (or almost caught) by the authorities. These scammers want revenge so they will post fake complaints wherever they can. We usually catch and expose these attacks very quickly.

Our continued fight against scammers serves the gold community as a whole because we help keep it clean from dangerous criminal forces.

For more information about our fight against scammers, check out http://blog.capitalex.com/capitalex...t-auction-fraud

To form your own opinion about our services, give us a try at http://www.capitalex.com

The scammers hate us and our clients love us... we wouldn't want it any other way.

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Furthermore, the association with Global Vantage as recognized by many frustrated investors can not be ignored, but I would love more clarity. Should there be a distinction made in ownership, management, or administration?

GlobalVantage members and other investors they referred to us own a combined 22% of our parent company. They have no influence over our operations.

Posted by: golddust

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Originally Posted by Capitalex.com

Dear golddust,

The Capitalex.com website is hosted by http://www.spirit-international.net (an offshore hosting company).

Apparently we are not their only client. They accept e-currencies, therefore it seems that many businesses, individuals, and programs that accept e-currencies make use of their hosting services.

If you have any questions about their other clients you should contact them directly. They will be able to confirm that we had nothing to do with these other clients.

Here is the question/comment again:

The fact that the business location is in Panama, however hosted from Mayalsia does raise certain concerns since as reported (and known), the criminal element has more control in many cases then the governing bodies. Perhaps the choice and location of this host, rather than the other programs/clients being hosted, would be appropriate information to answer to concerns over Capitalex's hosting in association with "Scam" programs.

golddust

Posted by: Capitalex.com

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It's exactly the same as previously.

I still don't understand it, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

What do you mean? Could you be more specific and spell it out for me?

In case you are trying to say (which I doubt) that the choice of host makes us a scam, here are a few questions for you:

1) Did you know that Internet servers are accessible globally and that it therefore doesn't matter where a server is located, as long as it is offshore and away from the eyes of potentially overzealous snoops?

2) Have you ever tried hosting a website or server in Panama, and tried to get any type of technical support for it?

3) Are you aware that Spirit International is a reputable hosting company?

If you were trying to say something different then kindly provide more details.

Posted by: Spirithosting

Golddust, I am the administrator for Spirit International Hosting. I was contacted by one of your members and asked to respond to this thread on the forum you "moderate". Let me help educate you and your readers about our offshore web hosting services since you are obviously misinformed, as I can see from your responses above.

Spirit Hosting began back in March 1999 as a response to a need for our clients hosting their websites in different countries so not to be governed by the laws of their home country. We abide by International law and do not tolerate scams, copyright infringements, hate crimes, pornography and much of the other filth of the world. We are here to provide a service which I have already alluded to.

Spirit International Hosting (aka Spirit Offshore Hosting) has worked closely with The e-Told Reports in many scam cases over the years to close down these theives and help keep people from losing their money. Where were you back in 1992 when the NZ iCafe scammers were hosting a multitude of websites with different offshore hosts and stealing people's gold investment money? I know where we were, we were working with news reporters and NZ police trying to have these people arrested. What about when the owner of OSgold.com was scheming to steal all that money and leave the country? There wasn't much we could do after-the-fact, but we did close down their servers as soon as we became aware of that activity by notices from reputable informers. You can check with Alan alan@e-told.org at e-Told Reports for verication of these actions (unless you think that is a scam too).

We host over 1000 shared websites and dedicated servers. It's impossible for us to know the "intentions" of people when they sign up to host a website. However, when we know they are scamming people, we do not tolerate that kind of activity on our servers and will close them down quickly.

Spirit International Hosting is also a Panama corporation. We hosted first in Switzerland in 1999, but their customer service and prices were way less than desireable. So we moved our three servers that same year to Panama, but people there seemed to be more interested in lounging on the beach rather than providing technical support.

We moved 5 servers to Malaysia in June 2000 where we currently enjoy excellent technical support services (on our current 12 shared servers) from people who have an excellent work ethic and they are darn good at what they do. The telecommunications infrastructure in Malaysia is newer and near the top in the world. This Data Center is an ultra modern facility which runs state-of-the-art equipment, with transmission speeds of OC-48/STM-16, 2.488 Gbps, on an Optical fiber Internet backbone, which is much faster than what runs in the US and many other areas.

So before you go knocking our company or Capitalex, you might check to see what you're talking about. And as for Capitalex - we've never had any complaints about them scamming or not providing less than satisfactory services. So I suggest you put your money where your foot is and use their services to check it out for yourself how good they are. We use them for currency exchange from time to time and they've never been less than what they claim to be.

The same goes for our services.

This is the last writing I will make on this subject. However, I want to set the record straight and I hope you don't moderate this off your forum because we challenged you. I'm sure you are also a business person trying to provide good services to your members as Spirit International Hosting is and as Capitalex is too.

From Spirit Admin
www.spirit-international.net

Posted by: golddust

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Originally Posted by Spirithosting

Golddust, I am the administrator for Spirit International Hosting. I was contacted by one of your members and asked to respond to this thread on the forum you "moderate". Let me help educate you and your readers about our offshore web hosting services since you are obviously misinformed, as I can see from your responses above.

Welcome to Weblife Spirithosting. Your posts/comments are appreciated!
You can expect that members, not just MODs will add comments, questions and facts they feel may be relevant to your attempt to "educate".

Spirit Hosting began back in March 1999 as a response to a need for our clients hosting their websites in different countries so not to be governed by the laws of their home country. We abide by International law and do not tolerate scams, copyright infringements, hate crimes, pornography and much of the other filth of the world. We are here to provide a service which I have already alluded to.

Spirit International Hosting (aka Spirit Offshore Hosting) has worked closely with The e-Told Reports in many scam cases over the years to close down these theives and help keep people from losing their money. Where were you back in 1992 when the NZ iCafe scammers were hosting a multitude of websites with different offshore hosts and stealing people's gold investment money? I know where we were, we were working with news reporters and NZ police trying to have these people arrested. What about when the owner of OSgold.com was scheming to steal all that money and leave the country? There wasn't much we could do after-the-fact, but we did close down their servers as soon as we became aware of that activity by notices from reputable informers. You can check with Alan alan@e-told.org at e-Told Reports for verication of these actions (unless you think that is a scam too).

We host over 1000 shared websites and dedicated servers. It's impossible for us to know the "intentions" of people when they sign up to host a website. However, when we know they are scamming people, we do not tolerate that kind of activity on our servers and will close them down quickly.
Your position toward "Scam" operators is commendable. Too bad more hosts don't take such an active position, but there are so many domains and I don't know what else a host can do but as you have indicated. Can you provide specific examples of Scams you've shut down? Yes, it is true that some do not feel "e-told.org" is a reliable source. I remain mute on this point, therefore do not like your insinuation.

Spirit International Hosting is also a Panama corporation. We hosted first in Switzerland in 1999, but their customer service and prices were way less than desireable. So we moved our three servers that same year to Panama, but people there seemed to be more interested in lounging on the beach rather than providing technical support.

I find this information most interesting since upon research today, I have found information pertaining to 'seemingly' experienced organizations offering offshore protection and hosting services in Panama. Perhaps, at least some of these entities are not as good as they say; I have learned that hosting in Panama is no better than hosting in Maylasia...

We moved 5 servers to Malaysia in June 2000 where we currently enjoy excellent technical support services (on our current 12 shared servers) from people who have an excellent work ethic and they are darn good at what they do. The telecommunications infrastructure in Malaysia is newer and near the top in the world. This Data Center is an ultra modern facility which runs state-of-the-art equipment, with transmission speeds of OC-48/STM-16, 2.488 Gbps, on an Optical fiber Internet backbone, which is much faster than what runs in the US and many other areas.

So before you go knocking our company or Capitalex, you might check to see what you're talking about. And as for Capitalex - we've never had any complaints about them scamming or not providing less than satisfactory services.
I suspect that you would not be the first to hear the Complaints, as it's generally customary for exchange providers and other online vendors or services to first have direct interaction with their clients/customers, yes? In addition, I am not 'knocking' your Company, but have reasons to doubt honest and/or reliable hosting based on my experience with hosting and Scams. IMO, there is a relatedness. Bad hosting can bring a program down, provide a foothold for hackers or ddoser to bring a program down, or be utilized as an excuse by a domain for a programs' failure. In this case, there is a history of known scams hosted from your servers, despite your best efforts.
You are vouching for them; do you even know where Capitalex is physically located? The DNS/Whois information reports they are located in the World Trade Center, Piso 1 Calle 53 in Panama City. I did a search of buildings and addresses in Panama City and could not find it. Perhaps that is not relevant to you.
Capitalex.com reported that Capitalex has 22% ownership by Global Vantage and its members.
(GV: IP - 202.142.1.144 - also hosted in Maylasia. Perhaps you are the host for GV. They are registered through godaddy, same as Capitalex)
While this is certainly minority ownership, do you have any idea of the track record of GV and what, if any returns are being paid to members who invested in Capitalex? I can tell you that it isn't pretty. GV is elusive and not forthcoming with 'proprietary' information concerning investment opps to its members and some have called every investment opp it has presented a "SCAM". I am happy to say that I am one of the very few who ever made enough noise to get a refund and get "kicked out of" GV. So, I can relate from where marcphillip is coming.
GV is a program that does "monitor off" posts and bans members who post
critically. One example would be due to poor or non performing GV investments, such as Capitalex. For this reason, there are some who criticise GV and Capitalex as a non-performing investment. (A SCAM?)
So I suggest you put your money where your foot is and use their services to check it out for yourself how good they are. We use them for currency exchange from time to time and they've never been less than what they claim to be.
SO, I suggest you become more informed about this particular client, before you come so quickly to their defense and plug "how good they are". I know enough 'history' to know that I will never use or recommend their services, or a host who recommends their services. Perhaps you should file this information where your foot is and chew on it, before you "set the record straight".

The same goes for our services.

This is the last writing I will make on this subject. However, I want to set the record straight and I hope you don't moderate this off your forum because we challenged you. I'm sure you are also a business person trying to provide good services to your members as Spirit International Hosting is and as Capitalex is too.

From Spirit Admin
www.spirit-international.net

The other side of the story, you are right; "a business person trying to provide good services" to the members of Weblife forum. A job no one has to call me to do.

golddust

Posted by: candy

Am I correct in remembering that e-told was very pro-EVO when the whole EVO/FLO scam was unraveling?

Posted by: golddust

I seem to remember something about this. E-Told has made a few bad calls.

Posted by: Capitalex.com

golddust:

We are sure that you are well-meaning but you are taking this too far.

You say that "some" have called us a scam, that there are "some" who criticize Capitalex "(A SCAM?)" etc., yet you are very careful not to make any direct accusations.

You didn't even have the guts to come out and say that our choice of host might be an indication for our degree of honesty... instead you had to post what would have easily passed as an ancient oracle's divination:

The fact that the business location is in Panama, however hosted from Mayalsia does raise certain concerns since as reported (and known), the criminal element has more control in many cases then the governing bodies. Perhaps the choice and location of this host, rather than the other programs/clients being hosted, would be appropriate information to answer to concerns over Capitalex's hosting in association with "Scam" programs.

"Raise certain concerns"... "the criminal element"... "association with scams"... wow! And all that without making a direct accusation. Congratulations.

You operate through innuendo and the power of suggestion, and it is very difficult and tiring to continually defend ourselves against these phantom accusations that "someone" (but not you!) allegedly made at some time in the past.

I am sure that board members will see through these tactics and recognize them for what they are.

If you have any evidence whatsoever that we scammed even a single of our thousands of clients, post it here. Otherwise, please stop this as it is no longer funny, and only hurts your own reputation as a reputable HYIP watchdog.

Can we get back to business now?

Posted by: golddust

You are on the wrong forum if you are looking for accusations. It is my 'business' to post information - food for thought - as it were. I see you are thinking about it and note that you do not deny or debate the information. Is it "tiring"?
If members of this board think I am posting ill information, they are WELCOME to post.

golddust