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ForwardOne; Please..........is there a way you can get a message to Dave Cannard that both his sites are unreachable? The members are having great difficulty logging into either site to surf which means lost earnings to many of us. Thanks so much! |
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Hi everybody, Well, at last I am able to send an email. We are having some problems and we are working on them and hope to be back up as soon as possible. At this stage it looks like that will be about 48 hours, but we are hoping for less. Missed earnings will be credited when we return. David |
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Originally Posted by forwardone
This email has been posted elsewhere:-
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Originally Posted by golddust
A down day should just extend the ad pack term respectively.
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Originally Posted by golddust
Now see, this is a problem IMO. Why pay missed earnings? How can a program call itself a legititmate advertising opp, when members are getting paid for missed advertsing, on both sides? If ads aren't rotating, people should not get paid, and everyday the site is down, earnings should be suspended; advertising is, isn't it?? A down day should just extend the ad pack term respectively. Paying people like this is just suicide. Look what happened when WS did this for 2 weeks...
I know this is not a popular view perhaps, but c'mon people wake up and smell the coffee. golddust |
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Originally Posted by Los
Interesting point golddust. i have never seen a legit site yet, Not one.
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Originally Posted by clifton
Me too. But I guess Golddust meant that they don't even try to look legit. If they want to leave the impression that they really make money from the ads, they should not credit days with no surfing
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Originally Posted by cjshu
Hmmm. Is this the old ( or new ) Dad and Daves?
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Hi Everybody, Let me apologise for the lack of communication over the last 48 hours. I have not been able to access the admin section of 12by12daily, This meant that I have been unable to process any payouts, and I have also been unable to send or receive emails. FIRST ISSUE - NEW PAYOUT RULES About a week or so ago I announced that we would now allow upgrades up to a maximum of $12,000. Supporters of 12by12daily saw this as a positive step,however a few detractors decided this meant that 12by12daily had a cashflow problem. By airing their views in public, they have done untold damage to 12by12daily, and whilst we did not have a cashflow problem at that time, things are getting a bit tight now. Up until now, I have resisted the advice of my team to introduce a 50/50 rule, as I believed there were enough supporters of the program to ensure that was not necessary. Unfortunately this was not the case, and we have a situation whereby members with large investments can make a $6 upgrade then take their money and run. This can no longer continue. As of now, if you wish to cashout you must have a member level equal to 50% of your cashout amount. I realise this is very short notice and some members may find it difficult, so I will bend the new rules slightly for som! e members. If your upgrade expired on or before 24th November, and you do not qualify under the new rules, I will pay half of your cashout amount, and apply the other half to your account as a new free upgrade. These free upgrades will then need to be matched 100% in order to cash them out. (I will delay making payouts to those members for another 24 hours, in case they wish to upgrade, and therefore only need to match 50%) Upgrades expiring on the 25th or later will need to qualify under the new rules. I do apologise for any inconvenience caused to members by this sudden change, however, if we were to continue the way we were, the "hit and runners" would eventually destroy this opportunity. If you always upgrade with the same amount, or are using the 3x3x3 methond, these changes will not affect you. Whilst they may be unconfortable for some members, these rules will help 12by12daily to prosper for many months ahead, and in fact there is no good reason why it cannot las! t forever. Payouts will recommence as soon as I have sent this email, and the new rules should ensure that they gradually become earlier and earlier, back to where we were, instead of the current trend of later and later. members with 2 pendings who have reverted to free will not need to email me, as I will be adding the free members to the payout list, and I will be able to pick you up without the need for an email. For those members who delight in posting negative things in the forums, remember, this is your program. We got through a period of negative forum posts in the beginning, when we had some problems, and we will get through this, and as before, come out even stronger on the other side. I would remind those members that they agreed to the following paragraph when they joined, and will have their accounts suspended or deleted if they continue. You agree not to engage in conduct which will undermine the success of this program. Such conduct includes, but is not limited to spreading negative opinions of 12by12daily on forums, false advertising, false information or feedback posted on monitoring sites or other sites. SECOND ISSUE - HACKERS I believe we have the most secure autosurf site on the net. However one of the problems with being the biggest is that it creates a challenge for the lowlifes of this world, who feel it is quite okay to hack into websites and steal other peoples money. Almost daily we have people attempting to access our site, and in most cases we are able to thwart them. One guy, in particular, who I will grudgingly admit is very good at his craft, has been able to access the site on 3 occassions. The measures we have in place have been able to keep any damage caused by him to a minimum, but we have had to take the admin area offline for the last 2 days to further tighten our security. This is why I have been unable to process payouts, or send and receive emails in that time. We have been able to find an approximate location for this guy, and the FBI also have all the information and it is only a matter of time before we are able to pinpoint him, and prosecute. The main issue is th! at he has been getting in through the banners file, and uploading some script that will change some members egold account numbers. This is also the reason that we have had major delays in fixing the accounts of those members who have used more than one egold account in the past. For some members, their first egold number is the correct one to pay to, but for others it is the last one. Our correction script will correct them all in one go, to either the first or last, but has no way of discerning which is the correct one. This has to be done manually. The banners have also been removed, as it is not possible to keep them, and block that security hole. Thank you for listening, and your continued support. David |
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Originally Posted by lazygirl
what do you all think of the 50/50 rule;
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Originally Posted by jojomataketa
I think it is an excellent idea which can make the program last for a long time. The admin, Dave seems to be honest and efficient. Programs like these can fail if the big spenders take their cash and run or reinvest only a tiny portion back, causing a cash flow problem for the program. 50/50 is a good rule....I think.
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Originally Posted by golddust
The admin has posted some very pertinent information, not just about 12 by 12, but AS and HYIP programs as a whole. Those who capitalize on finding the ways to invest large amounts and w/d large amounts are a problem. I can sympathize with those who do this in an effort to stay one step ahead of a possible Scam that leaves nothing. And do to the bazillions of $$$ scammers have taken, this is the only thing to do really.
On the other hand, the rules of cause and effect do come into play, and programs not integrating rules to safeguard against "HNR", may inadvertently become a Scam. In this respect the smart admin makes changes to keep a good cash float and preserve revenues for timely payouts. It is really good to see these action being taken by the admin here. These are the kind of admins to stick with and respect. There are so few.... golddust |
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Originally Posted by Likoff
I working with 12by12daily 2 years, and all is good...
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Originally Posted by Likoff
I working with 12by12daily 2 years, and all is good...
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Hi Everybody, This is the hardest update I have ever had to write. 12by12daily is now closed. I have done everything in my power to keep both sites operating, but, at the end of the day, if theres is no money coming in, then there is nothing to pay out. Since the launch of 12by12daily I have been working up to 18 hours a day 7 days a week to make this a success. Some of you will appreciate the effort I have put in, others will not. During that time, we have been subjected to some enormous obstacles. Right from day 1 we were subjected to extortion threats, which we did not bow down to. This resulted in our site being attacked by massive ddos attacks, which we were eventually able to repel. It also resulted in our database being totally corrupted due to my attempts to pay everybody for they days they had been unable to surf. We have still been unable to totally correct these errors. Worse than that, it also started a massive campaign of negativity in the forums, resulting in a lack of confidence, and complaints to egold, which saw my egold account blocked. We were able to get through these problems, and make 12by12daily a successful site for a time. Just when we thought we had things back on an even keel, it all started again. First we were hacked, and a number of members had their egold account numbers changed. This took a few days to sort out, but it was the beginning of the lack of confidence shown by members. I could have announced then, that we were in trouble, but I preferred to fix the problem, rather than aggravate it. I announced an increase in the maximum allowable upgrades, and a number of other positive signs about 12by12daily. This worked well for one day, until some unsupportive members announced to the world that we had a cashflow problem. Some others even emailed their downline telling them not to make any further upgrades. The action of these members was probably the single most influential factor in the downfall of 12by12daily. Many of you are familiar with what happens when there is a run on a bank, well the same thing happens in an autosurf program. I had to make changes in payout rules to protect us from that, which I did. This also had a positive effect for a few days, until we got hacked again. This time the hacker got away with a large sum of money. This in itself would not have been enough to bring us down, but it was followed up with another sabotage attempt, whereby we were bombarded with phoney upgrades for a period of about 4 days. Almost every member had at least one of these phoney upgrades added to their account, and by the time we got that problem solved, I could see the level of confidence decreasing by the day. From a position where we would have been able to save the site, Upgrades were becoming less and less each day, until they are now at virtually zero. I have continued to make payouts in that time, in the hope that it might turn around, and I will continue to make payouts over the next few hours, until there is nothing left in my egold account. I am truly sorry about this situation. I am not a scammer, and I have not stolen and run away with your money. Every penny made from 12by12daily has been put back into the program to make payments, and to make some payments at dadndaves. I am a good person who has been hit with circumstances I cannot control. I believe the majority of members will understand this, and accept that I have done everything I could to keep the program going. There will be a rabble rousing minority who will not accept it, and will go screaming in the forums etc for revenge. If any of those members should be considering legal means to recoup any losses, I would remind them of the terms agreed to upon joining. (Relevant paragraphs printed below) Each member, upon joining ticked a box to say they had read and understood the terms and conditions. This constitutes a digital signature, which is then a legally binding document. If you still wish to pursue this avenue, then I should also tell you there is no money left. Every penny I have made from 12by12daily has been put back into the program, In closing I would like to thank all the members that have supported me over the last couple of years. It is your support that has enabled me to continue as long as I have. I have been shattered by this, and it is highly unlikely that you will ever see me with an internet business again. David |