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Posted by: memorex

I have been asked many times as to how I make consistent profit in the HYIP arena and I can only pass on what I think and look for in a finding the reliability to generate my profits on a regular basis so without further ado :
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Evaluating which is the safest Payer in Daily,Weekly, or Monthly

Daily payers
The programs that are paying over the 1.5% range are always going to be treading in thin ice.

Any program paying over the 45% per month which is really quite a high figure to sustain, unless they are trading and losses are incurred to offset these high interest rates.

Where can programs like Brideby 2.1% *30 = 63% per month sustain such a level everyday without fail I DONT THINK SO ?? there has to come a time when the paymaster takes his cut .

The only ones I can see who seem to have it right,is the Nova Lights Family who seem to have dotted all their i's.

Although Pegasus Investments borders on 1.43%.which is nearing the dangerline in regards to most of the HYIP guidelines of 1.5%-1.7% .per day

I personally think that the interest accrued from all three of the S G Family giving them an overall figure of under the 1% (.9396%)margin 28.2% per month is their high point.

Which would in my opinion stabilise the higher figure of P I and control the lower figure of TMA and allowing the program versatility with S G Investments @ 1% compounding.

The newer compounding program of P I will also mean that there consolidation of funds will give them more security in the months ahead to be able to increase their already massive holdings in the HYIP arena.

Someone actually thought that there would be a shortage of gold to pay people out because this newer compounding investment and in this capacity would cause the demise of the program.

This can only be done if there is no investing done with the initial funding where the base fund cannot increase without more spending power (ponzi effect).

But in the Nova Light Families position who are seemingly in charge of Holdings in the vicinity of $10 million dollars.

Which if invested in a wiser capacity, and with their buying power through this holding would be capable of increasing this by an amazing annual percentage.

Leaving the sceptics or so called finacial wizards in their canoe out on the river without a paddle.

Who is to say we need our payments in e-gold anyway if the amount is substantial I would rather be paid through a debit card in cold hard cash by the way of an offshore account.

Weekly & Monthly payers

These also need to be in the the same daily margins as stated above to be able sustain the longevity of such programs.

We have no real guidelines on the weekly and ,monthly payers except that they should not exceed the daily's.

The most common ground accepted is that 5% - 9% compounding weekly
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This is bringing the range to around 21% - 41% total monthly as this figure is the one that seemingly succeeds more consistently.

No need to take my word for it just do your homework and you will soon find this is the range we need to invest in for safety's sake.

We should also bear in mind that the larger interest rate accrued by Pegasus Investments is not all interest but includes partial deposit.for every $100.00 invested a payment of approximately $0.274*365=$101.01 daily is paid back with the interest .

Which reduces the rate to approximately 1.156% which is a far cry from the danger zone of 1.5% .

So where we do go from here,well in my view and my view only is that the main
reason that I have virtually doubled my stake in the HYIP in the last 6 months .

Is basically by using this system I have explained above this has helped me
turn a deficit into a profit over the last 12 months or so which I can tell you was extensive to say the least.

And by applying those rules I have come out of it on the winning side and I am glad to say is going from strength to strength.

I have stated previously I do not use any other money apart from my profits now to enter into new programs.

Which now gives me the enviable position of using their money

May you live long and Prosper






Posted by: Winsindo

Thanks for sharing your key success factors MR, as that's not a theoritical idea, instead it is derived from an invaluable proven personal experience.

I'd like to check my personal opinion re. :

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Originally Posted by memorex
I have stated previously I do not use any other money apart from my profits now to enter into new programs.

Which now gives me the enviable position of using their money


It has been used in similar phrases so many times in many Forums that personally I'm afraid could drive Investors (especially newbies) to an "easy come easy goes" routine practice.

I tend to consider any profit from this Wild-Wild HYIP World as my own hard earned money, and not as "their money".

Once it goes into my e-gold account (or any other personal account), I'd treat them as my current cash position, no difference to my other incoming cash (e.g. Bank's T/D Interest, Stock Dividend, Pay-roll Salary etc).

Only by implementing this philosophical approach, I could then have a better control on myself for not to re- invest it too easily in hi-risk / min. DD Programmes, using the idea that it's other people money anyway.

How do you folks see this as a way of life in approaching HYIP profit ?

Winsindo



Posted by: awty

What seems to be working for me...

At this point, I almost refuse to touch anything paying over 1%/day. I have one notable exception, which is listed above.
APPEARS to me (I haven't checked, I don't watch the #'s as close as some), that the 1.43% works out closer to 1.15% actual return, which is a much better # for me, within my 'reality range'.

While I don't watch every program that I'm in to make sure I'm in profit, before putting more in, or pulling what I can out, I look mostly at the overall picture. This seems to work for me, others have different ways of handling things. Whatever works!

Not sure if this is making any sense, but I am now operating in profit. And, since I don't track every penny, how do I know?

Well, my 'holdings' are increasing, I'm getting into other programs that look good to me, and I haven't done an in-exchange from my personal 'real world' funds since February. It's taken a LOT of time, and a LOT of learning, and I have MUCH to learn yet.

Sorry, my focus isn't too good today, things aren't 'flowing' right for me to be in 'hyip mode' right now.

(In otherwords, for ME, NOT a good day to look for new stuff, or do serious research, or put funds into something I'm not sure of. The payments that I receive today will go into some of my 'solid' programs, and I'll have more to work with down the road. So far it works. I've noticed that my state of mind makes a big difference, and if I pay attention to it, I do better when in the right mindset.

Seems best I don't do too much heavy thinking today..

SOrry for rambling!

Jeff



Posted by: memorex

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Originally Posted by Winsindo
Thanks for sharing your key success factors MR, as that's not a theoritical idea, instead it is derived from an invaluable proven personal experience.

I'd like to check my personal opinion re. :

Quote:
Originally Posted by memorex
I have stated previously I do not use any other money apart from my profits now to enter into new programs.

Which now gives me the enviable position of using their money


It has been used in similar phrases so many times in many Forums that personally I'm afraid could drive Investors (especially newbies) to an "easy come easy goes" routine practice.

I tend to consider any profit from this Wild-Wild HYIP World as my own hard earned money, and not as "their money".

Once it goes into my e-gold account (or any other personal account), I'd treat them as my current cash position, no difference to my other incoming cash (e.g. Bank's T/D Interest, Stock Dividend, Pay-roll Salary etc).

Only by implementing this philosophical approach, I could then have a better control on myself for not to re- invest it too easily in hi-risk / min. DD Programmes, using the idea that it's other people money anyway.

How do you folks see this as a way of life in approaching HYIP profit ?

Winsindo


Hi Winsindo

My quote above is in the context that I do not need to use any new funding regarding to all of my newer investments.

And is not written in one line to promote any one to just invest because of investings sake .

I have already posted many facts that add to this in my previous posts.

These past posts will also give the newbie the chance for improvement in this game but like anything you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink.


regards
memorex



Posted by: memorex

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Originally Posted by awty
What seems to be working for me...

At this point, I almost refuse to touch anything paying over 1%/day. I have one notable exception, which is listed above.
APPEARS to me (I haven't checked, I don't watch the #'s as close as some), that the 1.43% works out closer to 1.15% actual return, which is a much better # for me, within my 'reality range'.

While I don't watch every program that I'm in to make sure I'm in profit, before putting more in, or pulling what I can out, I look mostly at the overall picture. This seems to work for me, others have different ways of handling things. Whatever works!

Not sure if this is making any sense, but I am now operating in profit. And, since I don't track every penny, how do I know?

Well, my 'holdings' are increasing, I'm getting into other programs that look good to me, and I haven't done an in-exchange from my personal 'real world' funds since February. It's taken a LOT of time, and a LOT of learning, and I have MUCH to learn yet.

Sorry, my focus isn't too good today, things aren't 'flowing' right for me to be in 'hyip mode' right now.

(In otherwords, for ME, NOT a good day to look for new stuff, or do serious research, or put funds into something I'm not sure of. The payments that I receive today will go into some of my 'solid' programs, and I'll have more to work with down the road. So far it works. I've noticed that my state of mind makes a big difference, and if I pay attention to it, I do better when in the right mindset.

Seems best I don't do too much heavy thinking today..

SOrry for rambling!

Jeff


No need to apologise Awty it is always good to see a discussion on peoples ideas on how they have progressed in the HYIP arena and it is invaluable information to anyone including the newbie's.

We must remember that we are the wise after the event and all experience no matter what.

Is all relative information regarding the treacherous path we have tread at one time or another.

And eventually has led us to more stable ground where we have been able to place our foundations.

regards
memorex



Posted by: admin

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I have found that the best way to invest in a program is to invest once, and don't invest again. Regardless of payout, it is best for you to send in whatever amount you feel comfortable with a single time


I found this theory posted on HYIPrograms and I tend to agree with it, esp. dealing with unproven programs as the vast majority will eventually die a very quick death

A good example was modern HYIP and Aqua Football, if you got in in the very first week and did not respend you would have been in PROFIT, however if you re-spent you would have incurred a LOSS



Posted by: Anonymous

I 'lucked out' that way in Bookie Basher - spent to it once the week it opened I think, ended up with a 160% profit before she did a runner.

But but but...I am still working on building investment capital, and short of 'respending', however you want to put that, I don't know how to go about it.

Respend for me = manually compounding in Pegasus for the time being. That seems pretty solid, at least for now. I've also got a BSTA compounding unit, as well as non-compound money in BSTA, so maybe that's 'respending' too? (having a unit on compound instead of straight payout, I mean)

With the vast majority of programmes it makes sense to not spend more than one time. But with those kinds of programmes you might be better not to spend at all.

Still, it can help control the damage. But what if you've already put in 'x' amount of dollars, are comfortable with the programmes you're in and want to build your investment capital without in-exchanging more gold? I'd rather re-spend with things like Nova-Lights than try a bunch of one-offs, especially in the midst of silly season.

And I know that at least awty as well as me throws his e-gold 'spare change' into Stargame too instead of leaving it in e-gold :P

Rhys



Posted by: memorex

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Originally Posted by hphyips
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I have found that the best way to invest in a program is to invest once, and don't invest again. Regardless of payout, it is best for you to send in whatever amount you feel comfortable with a single time


I found this theory posted on HYIPrograms and I tend to agree with it, esp. dealing with unproven programs as the vast majority will eventually die a very quick death

A good example was modern HYIP and Aqua Football, if you got in in the very first week and did not respend you would have been in PROFIT, however if you re-spent you would have incurred a LOSS

I agree with this and if you use a strategy it will soon accumulate if it is any good.
regards
memorex



Posted by: SmartMoney

In my opinion, it's this "get in and get out quick" along with the "test spend" mentality that scammers thrive on and keeps them coming back for more. The scammers know the game too.

Invest based upon program performance (there will always be an exception or two based upon any additional DD available) and it will be much easier to sift thru the rubbish since you will already have removed atleast 75% of it - greatly increasing your odds.


Rick

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Posted by: memorex

Yes to get in and out quickly, is fine to recoup your seed money, and then from there you need to still use a strategy.
Which is capable of building your profit in case it does last, then you are streets ahead.

regards
memorex



Posted by: linkz

Been reading the thread and I believe somewhere it was mentioned that some people don't really keep track (eg nickle and dime) all of the activity of their investments.

Me, I have to keep track of everything. I think it's important to always know your position ...... you know ..... how close to profit you are in each one. It's a bit of a pain keeping updated files everyday ..... but it's always a pleasureable experience adding entries ( just don't miss a week or so )

My two pennies



Posted by: memorex

When I first started out in the HYIP game I could only find out how I progressed by using my E-Gold History.

And this was fine as there was only a limited amount of ways to pay for your HYIP investments.

This was relatively simple to check (E-Gold , Pay Pal or the transferring of Funding through a normal Bank ).

But as it progressed and I also progressed with it, I then found a need to collate my spending and receiving of funds.

Nothing laborious just a simple spread sheet which helped me decide in the beginning if I was making a profit or a deficit.

And also give me a reasonable idea on how I could forecast my future spending and earning power.

Because of all the different types of usage in this arena now I just feel it is beneficial to collate all of this information.

But this is my opinion and Ideas and I feel anyone elses is their own chosen right.

regards
memorex



Posted by: elementAU

I have been bouncing around my first 2 or so months. Got into brideby heavy and one day the site was slow to load I panicked and pulled everyghing out, which with the fee had left me at a slight profit. Lucky, not good.

I have basically consolidated everything into Pegasus/ Bonded / Secure1 and Weekly Gold.

2 questions.

Can one survive over the long term just spending back into each of these funds? Do you have_ to go wide (ie 10-12 investments) or can you stay with those that you semi-trust. I intend to respend for a long time - I want to build.

Is spending within the 3 Nova Lights funds the same as diversifying or is it basically the same risk point because its
under the same roof.

(mmmmm 3rd question...do these 2 questions make sense?)



Posted by: awty

Yep, makes sense...

Diversification is great, but (my opinion) don't diversify just for the sake of it. What seems to work for me is spreading some around, but only to PERSONALLY TRUSTED programs.

As for the NL programs, that's an interesting question. They do have different percentages in trade at any one time. There are others here who may be better qualified to help with that one.
SHOULD there be a problem with NL, there would likely be a HUGE shake-up in the HYIP arena.

What I try to do? Take a look at what I have where, and consider what might happen if any one of my investments failed. That's been an eye-opening question. While I HOPE it doesn't happen, I think it's best to be prepared. It also puts things in perspective for me, an gets me thinking about possible strategies.

HOPE this helps, sounds more like my usual rambling.

Suggestion? Play around, think, and consider. (what if... questions work for me...)
Find what works for YOU, and adjust it as needed. Everyone works and thinks a little differently.

Jeff



Posted by: memorex

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Originally Posted by elementAU
I have been bouncing around my first 2 or so months. Got into brideby heavy and one day the site was slow to load I panicked and pulled everyghing out, which with the fee had left me at a slight profit. Lucky, not good.

I have basically consolidated everything into Pegasus/ Bonded / Secure1 and Weekly Gold.

2 questions.

Can one survive over the long term just spending back into each of these funds? Do you have_ to go wide (ie 10-12 investments) or can you stay with those that you semi-trust. I intend to respend for a long time - I want to build.

Is spending within the 3 Nova Lights funds the same as diversifying or is it basically the same risk point because its
under the same roof.

(mmmmm 3rd question...do these 2 questions make sense?)


THere are a lot of people who are in the same boat or under the same roof as yourself.

Who have the same three investments , simply because they seem to be the most trustworthy at this moment in time.

This of course is not implying they are not trustworthy nor is it detrimental to their cause as to whether they will last the pace .

Which is in reality one of the best records around to date which I or no one else can fault.

Whether you can survive by these three is another matter in my view you need to have a fail safe plan which will keep you afloat if god forbid the three most trusted fail.

My idea is that you dont need 12 or more but the concept of of more than one is a must which is what you must place Nova Lights under.

By having a certain amount of variance in your investment portfolio as long as they are not pooled programs which could be linked to the NL you can then hope that there will be a safety net for your investments if one should fail.

regards
memorex



Posted by: droesparky

Even though the 3 NL progarams are handled somewhat different, I treat them like one investment as far as diversity is concerned.

And for diversity I am looking for not only different programs but also programs that are invested differently.

Like forex programs, which seem to be most prevalent. One I know is useing stock options. and a pool or two is also ok with me.

I would really like to find a program that is trading stocks on the US market.




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