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Gunman Opens Fire in Amish Schoolhouse

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Posted by: Hardlyworkin

Heavily-Armed Shooter Kills at Least Three Girls, Then Takes Own Life
By MARK SCOLFORO, AP

5:48 AM ET update: A hospital spokeswoman says a fourth child has died of wounds from the shootings at an Amish schoolhouse in Pennsylvania.



NICKEL MINES, Pennsylvania (Oct. 3) - Charles Carl Roberts IV finished his milk deliveries a couple of hours before dawn, took a nap, and then dropped his three children off at a bus stop.

Then, reportedly prompted by a grudge two decades old, he wrote what authorities described as suicide notes, grabbed guns and ammunition and went to a nearby one-room Amish schoolhouse, killed at least three girls and critically injured seven more before taking his own life, authorities said.

The attack, the third deadly school slaying in the United States in less than a week, occurred in a bucolic stretch of Lancaster County where horse-drawn buggies carry plainly dressed Amish along twisting backcountry roads - and where violent crime is virtually nonexistent.

Roberts, a 32-year-old from nearby Bart Township who was not Amish , did not appear to be targeting the Amish and apparently chose the school because he was bent on killing young girls as a way of "acting out in revenge for something that happened 20 years ago," said state police Commissioner Jeffrey B. Miller.

The names and ages of the dead were not immediately released.

Two young students at the West Nickel Mines Amish School were killed, along with a female teacher's aide who was believed to be about 15 or 16, state police Commissioner Jeffrey B. Miller said. Seven others were taken to hospitals, most shot at point-blank range, authorities said.

"This is a horrendous, horrific incident for the Amish community. They're solid citizens in the community. They're good people. They don't deserve ... no one deserves this," Miller said.

Miller told Fox News late Monday that a fourth girl had died at Hershey Medical Center, but hospital spokeswoman Buehler Stranges said there had been no change in the condition of the three girls at the hospital.

State police spokeswoman Trooper Linette Quinn said the information had come from crime scene investigators, and she could not explain the discrepancy.

The attack bore similarities to a deadly school shooting last week in Colorado, but Miller said he believed the Pennsylvania attack was not a copycat crime. "I really believe this was about this individual and what was going on inside his head," he said.

According to investigators, Roberts dropped his children off at their bus stop, then at about 10 a.m. pulled up at the school, which had about 25 to 30 students ranging in age from six to 13.

Roberts brought with him supplies necessary for a lengthy siege, including three guns, a stun gun, two knives, a pile of wood and a bag with 600 rounds of ammunition, police said. He also had a change of clothing, toilet paper, bolts and hardware and rolls of clear tape.

He released about 15 boys, a pregnant woman and three women with infants, barred the doors with desks and wood and secured them with nails, bolts and flexible plastic ties. He then made the girls line up along a blackboard and tied their feet together.

The teacher and another adult fled to a nearby farmhouse, and authorities were called at about 10:30 a.m. Miller said Roberts apparently called his wife from a cell phone at around 11 a.m., saying he was taking revenge for an old grudge. Miller declined to say what the grudge could have been.

"It seems as though he wanted to attack young, female victims," Miller said.

Moments later, Roberts told a dispatcher he would open fire on the children if police didn't back away from the building. Within seconds, troopers heard gunfire, and found his body when they were able to get inside.

From the suicide notes and telephone calls, it was clear Roberts was "angry at life, he was angry at God," and co-workers said his mood had darkened in recent days, Miller said.

In a statement released to reporters, the gunman's wife, Marie Roberts, called her husband "loving, supportive and thoughtful."

"He was an exceptional father," she said. "He took the kids to soccer practice and games, played ball in the backyard and took our 7-year-old daughter shopping. He never said no when I asked him to change a diaper."

"Our hearts are broken, our lives are shattered, and we grieve for the innocence and lives that were lost today," she said. "Above all, please pray for the families who lost children and please pray too for our family and children."

Two girls - ages 8 and 6 - were in critical condition Monday night at the Penn State Children's Hospital, while a 13-year-old girl was upgraded to serious condition.

Three girls, ages 8, 10 and 12, were flown to Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, where they were in critical condition Monday night. The seventh injured victim was in Christiana Hospital in Delaware, where officials declined to release information.

In the attack last week at Platte Canyon High School in Bailey, Colorado, a man singled out several girls as hostages in a school classroom and then killed one of them and himself. Authorities said the man in Colorado sexually molested the girls.

On Friday, a school principal was shot to death in Cazenovia, Wisconsin. A 15-year-old student, described as upset over a reprimand, was charged with murder.

Neighbors who knew the Roberts family said they saw no indications of trouble brewing.

"They're a fine Christian family. It's ironic and it's heartbreaking," said Lois Fiester, a relative of Roberts who was standing outside the family's modest ranch house.



Posted by: forwardone

This is terribly sad. It`s just so inconceivable how such a thing as murdering anyone, let alone young children at school, can happen.

It was only a few days ago that there was a fatal shooting at the school in Colorado.



Posted by: forwardone

BBC News has just reported that a fifth young girl has died. Four are stable with one critical.



Posted by: Hardlyworkin

What this tragedy shows is no matter how tight you think someone is wrapped you really don't know what is going on inside their head.



Posted by: golddust

It is the opinion of FBI profilers that this tragedy "could be" a direct result of the school shooting in Colorado. (The logic being similar to the power of suggestion, planting in a 'disturbed' person's mind 'permission'; "he did it, now I can", thinking).

Who knows what prompted the shooter in Colorado? I can tell you that he was stalking the school. He had been camping by the Platte River which runs by the school and a high powered rifle was found at that scene. Serveillance tapes have shown that he drove around the school parking lot and he even attended girls volleyball games. My HS aged daughter knew the girl who was killed because they played volleyball together. She was in the classroom across the hall from the shooter...
Coming from a small community, this has been a life changing tragedy here.
I can totally 'feel for' the Amish community in Pennsylvania. They are peace loving people, who shun technology and an 'advanced' way of life. You won't see their faces on TV; most don't even own a TV.
My heart goes out to these folks as they face the effects of this tragedy in their community.


golddust



Posted by: clifton

Crazy world.



Posted by: forwardone

From what I`m hearing on the news bulletins the police have now revealed that this gunman had admitted to sexually molesting some relatives 20 years ago, so he`d be aged 12 at that time. The relatives were apparently little girls much younger than he was.

This played on his mind and prompted him to do what he`s done.



Posted by: forwardone

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My HS aged daughter knew the girl who was killed because they played volleyball together. She was in the classroom across the hall from the shooter...

I hope your daughter is recovering from her nightmare in her own school last week, golddust. This latest incident won`t have helped in her recovery but kids are resilient. I`m sure we all hope that she can get over that terrible ordeal in her own time.

Children should never have to face such things in their young lives.



Posted by: forwardone

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QUARRYVILLE, Pa. (AP) - The gunman who killed five girls in an Amish schoolroom confided to his wife during the siege that he molested two relatives 20 years ago when he was boy and was tormented by dreams of doing it again, authorities said Tuesday.

Investigators also said that Charles Carl Roberts IV, 32, plotted his takeover of the school for at least a week and that the items he brought - including flexible plastic ties, eyebolts and lubricating jelly - suggest he may have been planning to sexually assault the Amish girls before police closed in.

``It's very possible that he intended to victimize these children in many ways prior to executing them and killing himself,'' State Police Commissioner Jeffrey B. Miller said. But Roberts ``became disorganized when we arrived,'' and shot himself in the head.

Holding up a copy of the gunman's suicide note at a packed news conference, Miller also suggested that Roberts was haunted by the death of his prematurely born daughter in 1997. The baby, Elise, died 20 minutes after being delivered, Miller said.

Elise's death ``changed my life forever,'' the milk truck driver and father of three wrote to his wife. ``I haven't been the same since it affected me in a way I never felt possible. I am filled with so much hate, hate toward myself hate towards God and unimaginable emptyness it seems like everytime we do something fun I think about how Elise wasn't here to share it with us and I go right back to anger.''

The state police commissioner identified the demons in Roberts' head a day after the shooting rampage shattered the sense of calm in Lancaster County's bucolic Pennsylvania Dutch Country, where the Amish live a peaceful, turn-the-other-cheek existence in an 18th-century world with no automobiles and no electrical appliances.

``He certainly was very troubled psychologically deep down and was dealing with things that nobody else knew he was dealing with,'' Miller said.

The death toll rose to six Tuesday - including the gunman - when two girls died of their wounds.

During the standoff, Roberts told his wife in a cell phone call from the one-room schoolhouse that he molested two female relatives when they were 3 to 5 years old, Miller said. Roberts would have been around 11 or 12 at the time. Also, in a suicide note left for his family, he said he ``had dreams about doing what he did 20 years ago again,'' Miller said.

Police could not immediately confirm Roberts' claim that he molested two relatives. Family members knew nothing of molestation in his past, Miller said. Police located the two relatives and were hoping to interview them.

Roberts had planned the attack for nearly a week, buying plastic ties from a hardware store on Sept. 26 and several other items less than an hour before entering the school, Miller said.

The crime bore some resemblance to an attack on a high school in Bailey, Colo., where a 53-year-old man took six girls hostage and sexually assaulted them before fatally shooting one girl and killing himself. That attack occurred last Wednesday, the day after Roberts began buying materials for his siege.

Using a checklist that was later found in his pickup truck, Roberts brought to the school three guns, a stun gun, two knives, a pile of wood for barricading the doors, and a bag with 600 rounds of ammunition, police said. He also had a change of clothing, indicating he had planned a long siege, police said.

He sent the boys and several adults away and chained the girls together in a line at the blackboard. Miller on Tuesday revealed that one of the girls was able to escape with the boys.

A two-by-four piece of lumber found in the school had 10 large eyebolts spaced about 10 inches apart, suggesting that Roberts may have planned to truss up the girls and sexually assault them, Miller said. ``It's important to note that we had 10 victims at that time that were in the school,'' he said.

The girls left in the room were shot at close range shortly after police arrived, Miller said.

``We're quite certain, based on what we know, that he had no intention of coming out of there alive,'' Miller said.

At the time Roberts' wife received the phone call, she was attending a meeting of a prayer group she led that prayed for the community's schoolchildren.

The victims were identified as Naomi Rose Ebersole, 7; Anna Mae Stoltzfus, 12; Marian Fisher, 13; Mary Liz Miller, 8; and her sister Lena Miller, 7. Stoltzfus' sister was among the wounded.

Four other girls were in critical condition and one was in serious condition. They ranged in age from 6 to 13.

Church members visited with the victims' families Tuesday, preparing meals and doing household chores, while Amish elders planned the funerals. An Amish woman who helped comfort family members said they were being sustained by prayer.

``It's a tragedy we've never seen before,'' said the woman, whose father was a church bishop. Like many Amish, she declined to give her name. ``They said it was a happy school,'' she said. ``The children were happy, the teachers were happy.''

Roberts, a father from the nearby town of Bart, was not Amish and did not appear to have anything against the Amish, Miller said. He said Roberts was bent on killing girls and apparently figured he could succeed at the serene schoolhouse.

Sam Stoltzfus, 63, an Amish woodworker who lives a few miles away from the shooting scene, said his grandchildren were full of questions when they came home from another Amish school.

``They were terrified,'' said Stoltzfus, whose son took the grandchildren to school Tuesday morning so they wouldn't have to walk by themselves. ``They wanted to know: What was wrong with him? Why was he doing that?''

Stoltzfus said the victims' families will be sustained by their faith.

``We think it was God's plan and we're going to have to pick up the pieces and keep going,'' he said. ``A funeral to us is a much more important thing than the day of birth because we believe in the hereafter. The children are better off than their survivors.''


Guardian.co.uk



Posted by: nunulka

Golddust, I´m just reading your post. I was shocked to hear about this news. That´s very sad and horrible what happened. I hope your daughter is Ok.

Take care!



Posted by: golddust

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Originally Posted by nunulka
Golddust, I´m just reading your post. I was shocked to hear about this news. That´s very sad and horrible what happened. I hope your daughter is Ok.

Take care!



Thanks for your thoughts nunulka. It is not just my HS daughter, also my middle school daughter was effected, as the MS is right next to the HS and these students were locked down and evacuated from their school as well. Many MS students have siblings in the HS and had NO information about their well being until they finally were all delivered from the busses. It was very traumatic for these kids too.
Today is the first day back to school; I'm anxious to hear the 'feelings'.


golddust



Posted by: nunulka

Golddust, I have no kids but I know how you feel. It must be very stressful for you to have to worry about your daughters´ health after what happened. I´m sure it is very hard for you at this time but you must be strong now.
Golddust, After reading your posts in this forum I know you are a very smart and good woman. And I wish you and your family all the best and life without worry.



Posted by: golddust

Thank you for your thoughts and good wishes nunulka. My family is sensitive, strong yet emotional. My HS aged daughter is more resilient and able to move forward. My 12yo daughter is still dwelling in the 'what ifs' - having a hard time knowing that it is ok to cry and/or laugh without feeling guilty. We all struggle with what we feel and can't ignore.


golddust



Posted by: jojomataketa

PARADISE, Pennsylvania (CNN) -- A grieving grandfather told young relatives not to hate the gunman who killed five girls in an Amish schoolhouse massacre, a pastor said on Wednesday.

"As we were standing next to the body of this 13-year-old girl, the grandfather was tutoring the young boys, he was making a point, just saying to the family, 'We must not think evil of this man,' " the Rev. Robert Schenck told CNN.

"It was one of the most touching things I have seen in 25 years of Christian ministry."

"One person who had had almost daily encounters with him said that she noted that he never looked into anyone's eyes, he never looked into anyone's faces, and she knew that there was something deeply troubling about him," Schenck said.

"Although she did say, she was very careful to say, that Charles Roberts was not an evil person. That he was a deeply troubled man, that he had, in her words -- the sort of modest words of the Amish -- that he had problems of the heart."

Jack Meyer, a member of the Brethren community living near the Amish in Lancaster County, said local people were trying to follow Jesus' teachings in dealing with the "terrible hurt."

"I don't think there's anybody here that wants to do anything but forgive and not only reach out to those who have suffered a loss in that way but to reach out to the family of the man who committed these acts," he told CNN.

Sam Stoltzfus, 63, an Amish woodworker who lives a few miles away from the shooting scene, told The Associated Press that the victims' families will be sustained by their faith.

"We think it was God's plan, and we're going to have to pick up the pieces and keep going," he told AP. "A funeral to us is a much more important thing than the day of birth because we believe in the hereafter. The children are better off than their survivors."
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What has impressed me is their faith in God and their ability to forgive. A great gift. i feel so sad for those young girls that are dead or injured ....and the trauma for the living.



Posted by: nunulka

I have the same emotions. My heart aches to hear these bad reports and I feel with the families of those innocent kids who died.



Posted by: Voltaire

Golddust, my heart goes out to your family and everyone affected by this tragedy. I always see such things on the news, however it is rare that I actually know someone who has been affected.

Knowing someone with such close ties really puts things into perspective and allows us to see just how small the world really is, and the dangers which are around. Usually when I see an incident such as this on television I think to myself "strange things happen out there in the world, I'm glad things like this never happen to my family or I." Then I hear about you and your daughters and realize that tragic events such as this can affect everyone.

My wishes go out to everyone who was affected, especially the parents of the children.

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Children should never have to face such things in their young lives.


I couldn't agree more



Posted by: golddust

Thank you Voltaire. Our HS students are putting it into perspective by painting their car windows with, "The Day We All Changed 9-27-06". ...
The good coming from this tragedy - taking in strides albeit "babysteps" - how this 'change' makes a difference in our lives. Cause I know, everyone in the community feels 'changed'.

golddust



Posted by: forwardone

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Amish killings school demolished
Amish school demolition in Pennsylvania
The school was brought down in just a few minutes
Workers have demolished the school in Pennsylvania where five Amish girls were shot dead by a local truck driver on 2 October.

The workers brought in machinery to begin the demolition before dawn. The bell house and walls were brought down in just a few minutes.

The Amish community would cover the site with grass, local fire officials said.

The girls were gunned down by Charles Roberts, who then killed himself.

Five more girls were injured. They are still thought to be in hospital, but no more information is being given on their conditions at the request of their families.

Pasture

The West Nickel Mines Amish School in the village of Paradise had been boarded up since the shootings. Classes have been moved to a community farm.

Local officials said the Amish wanted to bring "closure" and create a pasture on the site.

Mike Hart, a spokesman for the Bart Fire Company, told Associated Press: "It's going to be razed and topsoil brought in and green grass planted."

Naomi Rose Ebersole, seven; Marian Fisher, 13; the Miller sisters, Lena, seven, and Mary Liz, eight; and Anna Mae Stoltzfus, 12, died in the attack.

Roberts, a 32-year-old milk-tanker driver, killed himself at the end of the shooting spree.

In a final phone call, Roberts told his wife he had molested two young members of his own family 20 years ago.

In suicide notes he also made references to another incident 20 years ago, and said he had been haunted by dreams of repeating his actions.


Source:- BBC News



Posted by: golddust

During the past week, "our" Sheriff, Fred Wegener attended a conference in DC to discuss school violence and offensive solutions. It was covered on MSNBC in greater detail. "Fred" has made appearances on Good Morning America, Dateline and network news following the shooting in Colorado. I learned from him today according to present protocols, the our school was well within parameters for preparation and response, more than some others in attendence could support.
If the school in Pennslyvania had similar preparation and technology, it is probable this tragedy could have been mitigated. I have no idea if the school was eligible for public educational assistance funds for this purpose.

golddust



Posted by: forwardone

Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:33 PM GMT147

EMSDETTEN, Germany (Reuters) - A masked man opened fire after storming a school in the western German town of Emsdetten on Monday, wounding several students before he apparently committed suicide.

Television reports identified the man as an 18-year-old former pupil.

A teacher, janitor and several students were wounded in the attack which began at 9.30 a.m. (8:30 a.m. British time) when the man entered Scholl secondary school and started firing, a police spokesman said.

"They all appear to be lightly wounded," the spokesman from the nearby city of Muenster said.

The man appeared to have killed himself as commandos surrounded the school, the state prosecutor in Muenster said.

The man had an explosive device attached to his body, which experts were attempting to defuse. All the pupils were evacuated from the school.

Emsdetten is a town of 35,000 near the Dutch border. There are 693 pupils at the school, aged roughly between 10 and 15 years old.

In April 2002, Germany suffered its worst school shooting when a gunman killed 17 people, including himself, at a high school in the eastern city of Erfurt.

That shooting reportedly began after a student said he was not going to take a maths test and pulled out a gun.

A hotline was being set up to offer psychological counselling for Scholl students and their families. Local police and prosecutors plan to hold a news conference later on Monday.

Reuters




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